Russian Chemical Weapon attack in Salisbury

[Jonny5 10]

just seen on twitter that they used the Sunday rail service from Waterloo to Salisbury then back to Heathrow, surprised they didn't need a hotel, no Brit would take that gamble

This really makes me suspicious.

 

Surely one or both of those trains would be cancelled or replaced by a bus that takes ten hours? And then the plane leaves on time? Pull the other one.

 

Very far fetched and that story smacks of a cover up.

[melthebell 862]

This really makes me suspicious.

 

Surely one or both of those trains would be cancelled or replaced by a bus that takes ten hours? And then the plane leaves on time? Pull the other one.

 

Very far fetched and that story smacks of a cover up.

 

 

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[Albert smith 11]

It is not "an act of war against our country". If the Russians did try and kill Skripal it is the Russian government trying to knock off a double agent, maybe because they thought he was up to his old tricks.

And that is if it was them.

And what about the poor lass who has been murdered by these despicable Putin gangsters.

[lil-minx92 10]

And what about the poor lass who has been murdered by these despicable Putin gangsters.

 

Not gangsters. Agents of the state. We have them too, getting up to no good in other countries looking after British interests

[altus 538]

This really makes me suspicious.

 

Surely one or both of those trains would be cancelled or replaced by a bus that takes ten hours? And then the plane leaves on time? Pull the other one.

 

Very far fetched and that story smacks of a cover up.

 

You're assuming that GRU haven't infiltrated Network Rail and arranged that no engineering work would affect the train lines they used on just that weekend.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

they succeeded on all counts, thats not sloppy it was succesful

 

I think that you are missing my point.

 

Not disposing of the Novichok carefully is sloppy for two reasons.

 

First of all, the second incident not only identified the method of the attack ie a small perfume bottle presumably smuggled in on a flight from Russia but also puts the offenders in or near Amesbury which gives the investigators another avenue to look for CCTV evidence.

 

Secondly, and more importantly for the two perpetrators, is that Putin won't be around for ever. It is likely that at some point a regime change in Russia may put Putin out of favour and change Russia's relationship with the West. Part of this change may be some form of extradition treaty between Russia and the UK. Now this extradition treaty may specify that only certain crimes reach the threshold for extradition and it could be that murder does reach that threshold but attempted murder does not.

 

If they had disposed of the Novichok properly the only charge would be attempted murder. Not disposing of it properly has led to an actual death which one day could be the thing that leads to the two perpetrators facing justice.

 

Like I said, sloppy.

[melthebell 862]

I think that you are missing my point.

 

Not disposing of the Novichok carefully is sloppy for two reasons.

 

First of all, the second incident not only identified the method of the attack ie a small perfume bottle presumably smuggled in on a flight from Russia but also puts the offenders in or near Amesbury which gives the investigators another avenue to look for CCTV evidence.

 

Secondly, and more importantly for the two perpetrators, is that Putin won't be around for ever. It is likely that at some point a regime change in Russia may put Putin out of favour and change Russia's relationship with the West. Part of this change may be some form of extradition treaty between Russia and the UK. Now this extradition treaty may specify that only certain crimes reach the threshold for extradition and it could be that murder does reach that threshold but attempted murder does not.

 

If they had disposed of the Novichok properly the only charge would be attempted murder. Not disposing of it properly has led to an actual death which one day could be the thing that leads to the two perpetrators facing justice.

 

Like I said, sloppy.

eh, a perfume bottle leads to CCTV?? that would be their first port of call, checking all CCTV from all the airports and towns in the vicinity, and spotting the same people.

as for manslaughter, murder, attempted murder? they wont be bothered, they did what they were asked to do, they will be under assumed names and stolen passports.

again, a perfume bottle is the perfect way of A: getting it into the country, B: applying the dose on the handle.

 

again for the disposal they wont be bothered, like i said once its over and they make their getaway they just get rid.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

they just get rid.

 

But my point is that they didn't, and that could one day land them in jail.

[melthebell 862]

But my point is that they didn't, and that could one day land them in jail.

they wernt caught with it, they got rid, you seem to think theres some magic hole they shouldve dropped it into.

They will see the others as collateral damage, they wont care, they are experts. also you seem to underestimate the russians, they will be hidden, it will all die down, we will eventually forget, the russians will plan more attacks on dissidents.

[Lockdoctor 10]

I think that you are missing my point.

 

Not disposing of the Novichok carefully is sloppy for two reasons.

 

First of all, the second incident not only identified the method of the attack ie a small perfume bottle presumably smuggled in on a flight from Russia but also puts the offenders in or near Amesbury which gives the investigators another avenue to look for CCTV evidence.

 

Secondly, and more importantly for the two perpetrators, is that Putin won't be around for ever. It is likely that at some point a regime change in Russia may put Putin out of favour and change Russia's relationship with the West. Part of this change may be some form of extradition treaty between Russia and the UK. Now this extradition treaty may specify that only certain crimes reach the threshold for extradition and it could be that murder does reach that threshold but attempted murder does not.

 

If they had disposed of the Novichok properly the only charge would be attempted murder. Not disposing of it properly has led to an actual death which one day could be the thing that leads to the two perpetrators facing justice.

 

Like I said, sloppy.

Good post.

The unused Novichok could easily have been left in the UK more safely than it was. It would have been a big risk taking it back to Russia because the Russians don't control Heathrow Airport. I suspects the two suspects will have much explaining to do to who ever told them to do the attack.

[zaci 12]

Maybe just a couple of so called bungling fall guys sent by Putin to test out Britain's security services!

[Anna B 1,401]

I think Theresa May is trying to use he Skripal case to strengthen her leadership amid a challenge from the opposition.

 

Britain harbors a lot of Russian exiles who are actually criminals and Skripal himself may have been involved with some of them. Just to remind you: Skripal is a former GRU officer who betrayed his country, was caught, imprisoned, released under pardon and swapped in a spy swap. I can't see what the motive would be for the Russian state to go for such a mean man.

 

On the contrary, the new Skripal case may add rocket fuel to spending more on NATO and military here in the UK.

 

i agree that there may well be a hidden agenda that we know nothing about. Not saying whether that's good or bad, just that it's possible even probable.