Child Genital Mutilation

[JFKvsNixon 11]

1 minute ago, Hots on said:

So long as it is handled with care. It is only taking place among specific ethnic/cultural groups, so you focus on girls that belong to that ethnic/cultural group using doctors and other specialists, preferably female, that also belong to that ethnic/cultural group.

 

Do you suggest just doing nothing?

I have to ask here, what is your motivation?  How would you feel if you had a young daughter, she was forced to have her genitalia examined annually to ensure that you're not abusing her? Would you accept that? Would that feel proportional to the risk that she faced?

 

As to the question of what we should do, I'd suggest that we should take a similar approach that you would for any form of sexual abuse suffered by minors. We have to educate and empower the young person, so they  feel able come forward the report the abuse, coupled with harsh punishments to the abusers.

[danot 10]

21 minutes ago, JFKvsNixon said:

You really do wonder where our society is heading when it's being suggested that pubescent girls should be forced to have their genitalia checked annually for their own protection.

 

I am lost for words.

Meanwhile, authorities find allowing the brutal mutilation of these girls more preferable because they, and you, want to spare these girls from suffering the indignity of a physical examination. 

 

 

[JFKvsNixon 11]

4 minutes ago, danot said:

Meanwhile, authorities find allowing the brutal mutilation of these girls more preferable because they, and you, want to spare these girls from suffering the indignity of a physical examination. 

 

 

As I said, I struggling to understand the mindset that believes that this suggestion is in someway acceptable.

[danot 10]

1 minute ago, JFKvsNixon said:

As I said, I struggling to understand the mindset that believes that this suggestion is in someway acceptable.

You quite obviously feel that doing nothing is more preferable than girls having to endure the indignity of an examination. 

[Halibut 12]

31 minutes ago, danot said:

I'm just as qualified in women's experiences as you are fella. 

 

Any other suggestions on how we protect these girls and deter anyone from performing the procedure on them?

 

 

Yes. Education. Schools are ideally equipped to spot those who might be at risk and educate them about the dangers of FGM and how to seek help if they feel at risk. 

[JFKvsNixon 11]

1 minute ago, danot said:

You quite obviously feel that doing nothing is more preferable than girls having to endure the indignity of an examination. 

??????

 

So for you the only options we have -  are to do nothing abut FGM, or force young girls to have their genitalia examined? Can you seriously not see any other options.

 

How do you believe that we should deal with the problem of sexual abuse of young girls in general? Do you believe that we should force all young girls to have their genitalia examined annually, or should we do nothing? Or maybe in that situation you're able to conjure up other options?

 

 

[woodview 10]

40 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Yes. Education. Schools are ideally equipped to spot those who might be at risk and educate them about the dangers of FGM and how to seek help if they feel at risk. 

How about including it in the curriculum, and enforce that it's covered in free schools too.

[danot 10]

38 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Yes. Education. Schools are ideally equipped to spot those who might be at risk and educate them about the dangers of FGM and how to seek help if they feel at risk. 

What about the girl's concerns over family members being imprisoned? Isn't it applicable to the points you make?

[Halibut 12]

Just now, danot said:

What about the girl's concerns over family members being imprisoned? Isn't it applicable to the points you make?

Peoples fears tend to be allayed by information, knowing their rights and support. Schools can help with those things.

[JFKvsNixon 11]

8 minutes ago, danot said:

What about the girl's concerns over family members being imprisoned? Isn't it applicable to the points you make?

Couldn't that be the case in other forms of sexual abuse, where the abuser is a member of the same family? 

 

In that situation we try to educate and empower the individual that's being abused, so they feel like they're going to be listened to and acted upon. So why not use the same approach with FGM?

 

 

[danot 10]

4 hours ago, JFKvsNixon said:

??????

 

So for you the only options we have -  are to do nothing abut FGM, or force young girls to have their genitalia examined? Can you seriously not see any other options.

 

How do you believe that we should deal with the problem of sexual abuse of young girls in general? Do you believe that we should force all young girls to have their genitalia examined annually, or should we do nothing? Or maybe in that situation you're able to conjure up other options?

 

 

'Doing nothing' was never an option for me. I'm thinking 'deterrent' rather than prosecutions, and yearly examinations is the only effective 'deterrent' that I can think of.  

 

Sexual abuse victims?

 

What level of sexual abuse? You'll need to be specific about the physical sign of sexual abuse the examiner would be looking for in order for me to answer.

 

3 hours ago, Halibut said:

Peoples fears tend to be allayed by information, knowing their rights and support. Schools can help with those things.

I totally agree with you on this point ^. However, this point undermines the point you made ealier when you suggested that 'the very same young girls' (who are being made aware of their rights and supported by their schools ) would become worried about family members being imprisoned as a direct consequence of having a physical examination. Wouldnt they be worried in any instance?

Again. You appear to be suggesting that such 'worries' would only be attributable to the examination and nothing else. 

 

 

3 hours ago, JFKvsNixon said:

Couldn't that be the case in other forms of sexual abuse, where the abuser is a member of the same family? 

 

In that situation we try to educate and empower the individual that's being abused, so they feel like they're going to be listened to and acted upon. So why not use the same approach with FGM?

 

 

 

 

Because there's been one FGM conviction since it was outlawed 34 years ago. Evidently, the current approach cannot be working if we're to believe recent reports detailing the scale of FGM cases. 

 

The practice is cloaked in secrecy. NHS England statistics show that 1,015 FGM cases were newly recorded between April and June 2018, bringing the total number of survivors recorded in the UK to 17,330 since 2015, but a study estimated that 137,000 women and girls who have migrated to England and Wales are living with the consequences of FGM. Cutters are even being flown into the UK to carry out the procedures to order.

 

 

Edited March 15, 2019 by danot

[Halibut 12]

14 hours ago, danot said:

 

 

Sexual abuse victims?

 

What level of sexual abuse? You'll need to be specific about the physical sign of sexual abuse the examiner would be looking for in order for me to answer.

 

I really don't know where you're going with this, but I don't think it's a helpful avenue to explore and coupled with your stated intent for girls and young women to face compulsory examinations of their genitalia it makes me feel very uneasy.