Are Calais Migrants OUR Problem?

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46 minutes ago, crookesey said:

I agree regarding ‘more equality’, I well recall the council estate that was my home and having ambitions to be ‘equal’ with folk who owned their own homes in South West Sheffield, which I have achieved. I’m pleased to say that I’ve never been down a coal mine or experienced the workings of a melting shop, however I have taken risks that have worked out for me and have become totally none political.

 

As for the ‘equality’ regularly pontificated on by Anna’s Labour Party, it doesn’t take much research to discover the personal wealth of their leaders, give it a go.

Crookesey, Regarding the wealth of the Labour leader , It does not take long for MOST of them to jump on the greed bandwagon , The Labour Party is no longer the party of the working person as we knew it , MP's are bred at University and then bussed into working class areas to represent those people . 

There is no longer a party that fully represents the ordinary people on council estates or at the lower end of the class system . Some one should start one ,.

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44 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Ludicrous suggestion. That would only encourage more economic migrants to make the crossing.  The best solution is for France to accept all the people on the boats back to their country then that would discourage others from making the crossing if they know they will be immediately returned back to France.  

No problem. You want a service, I’m confident that France can deliver it. 😘

 

Darmanin recently said that the annual cost of policing France’s northern coast to the French taxpayer is around 2/3 of a red bus, at €250m.
 

Let’s call it €233m, since GB coughed up €17m of the promised €67m contribution. Fair’s fair 😁

 

Now, you can see what service level you’re getting for that money. If you want better performance, as in ‘zero dinghies’, obviously that costs more 😊

 

So, how much more (than €233m, obviously) would GB offer to pay to France, upfront of course, for France to control GB’s border according to your SLA?
 

Remember that it’s your money that you’re asking Patel and Johnson to cough up. And since it’s Patel and Johnson, obviously you need to cost in a bung or ten for them and their cronies.

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Just now, West 77 said:

I believe the British government are reluctant to pay the money agreed in advance because the untrustworthy French have a habit of not using the large sums of money given to them as intended. Last week we saw pictures or large groups of Police officers standing and watching the economic migrants getting into inflatable boats just hours after the economic migrants drowned in the French sea.  The  French are a disgrace and should be treated like a rogue nation and face international sanctions for the way they are aiding and abetting the criminal gangs activities which only encourages more economic migrants to make the crossing.

A-ha, but that is not how things work, in our brave new post-2008, post-Covid neoliberal world: no one is owed a free lunch, so you pays your money, then you gets your service. So, currently, you’re getting €17m’s worth of service 🙂

 

Imagine how much more motivated these slouching policemen would be, and how fewer dinghies would set off, if GB paid what the €50m balance! 😀

Imagine how hermetical Pas-de-Calais beaches could get, if GB multiplied that €67m by 4! 😃

 

So, Westy…how muchly?

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Just now, L00b said:

A-ha, but that is not how things work, in our brave new post-2008, post-Covid neoliberal world: no one is owed a free lunch, so you pays your money, then you gets your service. So, currently, you’re getting €17m’s worth of service 🙂

 

Imagine how much more motivated these slouching policemen would be, and how fewer dinghies would set off, if GB paid what the €50m balance! 😀

Imagine how hermetical Pas-de-Calais beaches could get, if GB multiplied that €67m by 4! 😃

 

So, Westy…how muchly?

its a pity the french dont defend their borders at the point of entry which would make patrols on the beaches at Normandy etc unnecessary, anyway post 1944 the french still owe us way more than your figures!!!! 

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1 minute ago, ab6262 said:

its a pity the french dont defend their borders at the point of entry which would make patrols on the beaches at Normandy etc unnecessary, anyway post 1944 the french still owe us way more than your figures!!!! 

It is.

 

But then, we are where we are, with France in Schengen an’all.

 

So, well, you know…

 

<Gallic shrug> 😆

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12 hours ago, Carbuncle said:

Very good. So how about we start assuming the people in boats are all genuine unless and until proved otherwise and we could then start looking them after properly, helping them adjust to UK society and letting them work.

“Until proved otherwise “  how do you do this and then what happens when proven otherwise?

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3 hours ago, crookesey said:

I agree regarding ‘more equality’, I well recall the council estate that was my home and having ambitions to be ‘equal’ with folk who owned their own homes in South West Sheffield, which I have achieved. I’m pleased to say that I’ve never been down a coal mine or experienced the workings of a melting shop, however I have taken risks that have worked out for me and have become totally none political.

 

As for the ‘equality’ regularly pontificated on by Anna’s Labour Party, it doesn’t take much research to discover the personal wealth of their leaders, give it a go.

I'd be interested to know which Labour party you are calling mine.

I am a fervent supporter of Jeremy Corbyn (and what he tried to do,) because he was an authentic man of the people with genuine convictions, and lived the modest life to prove it. 

I am not a supporter of Keir Starmer who is the exact opposite, and is trying to purge the Labour party of its Socialist credentials. 

Angela Rayner is the only one left, (single mother, brought up in relative poverty, care worker, came up through the Unions) simply because he can't get rid of her (he's tried) Pity about the potty mouth. If she does public speaking events she might be worth a bit by now but I haven't checked.

Really poor people don't usually get into politics these days. They're too busy trying to do 3 jobs to survive.

 

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26 minutes ago, West 77 said:

In plain English the French government are behaving the same way as gangsters running protection rackets do.            

The French could to themselves a favour and withdraw from the Schengen agreement.

Well, that’s all nice and well and good, but it’s still very light on practicalities, facts or, for that matter, awareness.
 

Because, far from being ‘gangsters running protection rackets’, France is only lending a hand policing the GB ‘border’ in Calais under the Le Touquet Agreement. As I’ve long explained (but which you studiously avoid to even acknowledge), were it not for this LTA, France would be under zero obligation, in law or in fact, to police anything leaving its shore, bound for the UK or wherever else, and the UK would have to take back (full) control of its (actual) border.

 

Meaning you’d get the whole supply of migrants who want to reach the UK, unhindered, and then, well, HMBF can do its stuff, under the UK’s own sovereign immigration law and policy, at its border. You understand jurisdictions, and borders, and law, and due process, right? I know they’re quite inconvenient to xenophobes and other dinghy would-be torpedoers, but well, this is the 21st century, you have to face facts and reality some time.

If Macron does not get re-elected next year, there is actually a chance that the LTA could get suspended or, if not, then at least severely scaled down: all the other candidates (and, irony of ironies, Leaver/Spectator/GBnews’ new darling Zemmour first among them, as he’s rather the Anglophobe) have killing off the LTA as one of their campaigning themes.
 

You might wish to reflect briefly on why that is, particularly given that immigration is as much of a hot topic for the French electorate, which is itself well aware that France already takes in multiples of the UK’s intake.

 

There’s no noticeable intention in France, to withdraw from Schengen. Or, for that matter, to Frexit. EU membership, FoM and Schengen all work synergistically and perfectly fine for tourists, FoM economic migrants and cross-border workers/shoppers.

 

So you need to try another trope, preferably a less-tired one, because I’m afraid that one is a complete non-starter.

 

Money for the service, my good man. Or you don’t get the service and you do it yourself. I’d have thought that was a rather simple concept to grasp, in as mercantile a society as the UK, no?

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41 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

“Until proved otherwise “  how do you do this and then what happens when proven otherwise?

I meant until the asylum process had run its course and concluded that the asylum seeker was in fact not at risk in their home country. Once it's established somebody doesn't merit asylum, I think we probably have to ask them to stand on the naughty step for a few minutes then take a pragmatic approach and give them residency since there won't be anywhere to send them back to as they will have destroyed their identity documents. Thing is of course, I am not that fussed by a few extra immigrants so I don't see this as some terrible outcome even though it leaves others frothing at the mouth.

 

What would you do with failed asylum seekers who you can't repatriate?

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27 minutes ago, West 77 said:

The French could to themselves a favour and withdraw from the Schengen agreement.

I'm not sure why you think France leaving the Schengen area would magically stop migrants entering France. France's land border with other Schengen countries is longer than the length of the UK. People who are willing to cross the channel in a small inflatable boat aren't going to be put off by the prospect of crossing a few muddy farm fields from Belgium or even the Pyrenees mountains from Spain.

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8 minutes ago, Carbuncle said:

 

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What would you do with failed asylum seekers who you can't repatriate?

Depends if they rate any higher than Begum with the collective.
 

The answer to which, I’d hazard, is “not”.
 

She’s been made stateless, in direct contravention to international treaties binding the UK, for political expediency. By that yard stick, I don’t see what’s to stop Patel from charterising failed asylum seekers to [name a geographical cesspit]. Well, what’s to stop her, beside not having the first smidgeon of competence, that is.

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8 minutes ago, Carbuncle said:

I meant until the asylum process had run its course and concluded that the asylum seeker was in fact not at risk in their home country. Once it's established somebody doesn't merit asylum, I think we probably have to ask them to stand on the naughty step for a few minutes then take a pragmatic approach and give them residency since there won't be anywhere to send them back to as they will have destroyed their identity documents. Thing is of course, I am not that fussed by a few extra immigrants so I don't see this as some terrible outcome even though it leaves others frothing at the mouth.

 

What would you do with failed asylum seekers who you can't repatriate?

You answered your own question “in fact not at risk in their own country “