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1 minute ago, tinfoilhat said:

Oh yeah, wildlife is getting battered at every turn, I'm not sure a few hundred sea faring migrants are going to tip the balance.

They'll probably eat what wildlife is left.

6 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Maybe some of the gammons frothing over Land of Hope and Glory could pop over to Syria for a decade or two and learn what makes people desperate enough to risk their lives fleeing from it and could extend a welcome to some more nice Syrian families.

So that's one off the list.

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2 minutes ago, retep said:

They'll probably eat what wildlife is left.

What an asinine and frankly, racist,  thing to say.

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Just now, Halibut said:

What an asinine and frankly, racist,  thing to say.

Not really as there are accounts of them doing so, perhaps you'd rather they starve.

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Just now, retep said:

Not really as there are accounts of them doing so, perhaps you'd rather they starve.

Really? Apart from a few Poles poaching fish (which shouldn't be happening) I've not heard of much. Can you give a few examples and where it's having a meaningful impact on certain species?

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3 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Really? Apart from a few Poles poaching fish (which shouldn't be happening) I've not heard of much. Can you give a few examples and where it's having a meaningful impact on certain species?

Not hard to find,

 

"Slaughter of the swans: As carcasses pile up and migrant camps are built on river banks, Peterborough residents are too frightened to visit the park"

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1261044/Slaughter-swans-As-carcasses-pile-crude-camps-built-river-banks-residents-frightened-visit-park-Peterborough.html

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7 minutes ago, retep said:

Not hard to find,

 

"Slaughter of the swans: As carcasses pile up and migrant camps are built on river banks, Peterborough residents are too frightened to visit the park"

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1261044/Slaughter-swans-As-carcasses-pile-crude-camps-built-river-banks-residents-frightened-visit-park-Peterborough.html

Anything after 2010?

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6 minutes ago, retep said:

Not hard to find,

 

"Slaughter of the swans: As carcasses pile up and migrant camps are built on river banks, Peterborough residents are too frightened to visit the park"

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1261044/Slaughter-swans-As-carcasses-pile-crude-camps-built-river-banks-residents-frightened-visit-park-Peterborough.html

Horrible, I hope those concerned are prosecuted. I'm not convinced it has had a major impact on swans in the greater Peterborough area.

 

Here's another arse killing wildlife, hopefully he got deported back to *checks notes* Wales.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-39638665

 

Speaking of shooting wildlife, Prince Philip is still at large.

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2 hours ago, Longcol said:

The solutions suggested on that page don't include stopping immigration / refugees / asylum seekers.

 

As more people live longer we need more people to pay for their pensions - or we need to decrease pensions - or increase taxes on the existing population.

 

Which do you choose?

I'm surprised this one didn't get more attention as it's essentially what is happening which is why no Government in recent years has been that serious about stopping immigration.

 

Indigenous birth rates are declining but people are living longer. Bearing in mind the old age pension, when it was created, was essentially borrowed from the next generation as we didn't have a pot of gold to spend. The taxes/national insurance you pay now are not for your pension but for the existing pensioners and the taxes that our children pay will pay for our pensions. At the moment, we have a decreasing birthrate but an increasing number of pensioners - fairly obvious there is going to be a shortfall.

 

Several options are available (these are my thoughts, there are probably more which I would be interested in hearing): 

(a) increase the pension age (which they are doing)

(b) decrease the pension

(c) increase the number of tax payers (immigration)

(d) increase taxes to pay for it

 

All options have their pros and cons but from a political point of view, ie trying to get elected: Nobody votes for increased taxes, the grey vote would seriously mess with anyone reducing their pensions and nobody votes to work until their 80 (although they are creeping this one in) so what's left?

 

Answers on a postcard.

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4 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Not full.

 

How much of your area is built on? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41901294

 

Now we can wax lyrical on how climate climate change is effecting our country and wildlife, the impact of modern farming methods, plastic pollution etc, but we aren’t full.

So we should build on every piece of land, tell that to the planning department.

Issues such as exceeding the Earth's carrying capacity, global warming, potential or imminent ecological collapse.

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1 hour ago, El Cid said:

So we should build on every piece of land, tell that to the planning department.

Issues such as exceeding the Earth's carrying capacity, global warming, potential or imminent ecological collapse.

Did I say we should build on every piece of land? No I did not.  Did I imply it? No I did not.

 

A quick google suggests we have enough brownfield sites to build 961000 dwellings. How many people are crossing the channel in dinghys? More or less than that number?

 

Unless you are suggesting we drown them, they’ll be adding to global warming somewhere. Now, talking of ecological collapse, what do we do about modern farming?

 

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6 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Did I say we should build on every piece of land? No I did not.  Did I imply it? No I did not.

 

A quick google suggests we have enough brownfield sites to build 961000 dwellings. How many people are crossing the channel in dinghys? More or less than that number?

 

Unless you are suggesting we drown them, they’ll be adding to global warming somewhere. Now, talking of ecological collapse, what do we do about modern farming?

 

Where do you suggest we get the extra capacity from for these 961000 dwellings, water, electricity, gas, sewage, roads.

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7 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

A quick google suggests we have enough brownfield sites to build 961000 dwellings. How many people are crossing the channel in dinghys? More or less than that number?

The ONS states that population growth marks an increase of 0.6%, or an addition of 395,000 people, between mid-2017 and mid-2018 – the same rate of population growth as in the previous year.

Net migration to the UK was estimated to be 270,000 in 2019, down from a peak of 331,000 in the year ending March 2015.

If we just assume that is roughly 100,000 increase in population down to more births than deaths and people living longer, that is reflected throughout the world.

When will the planet be full?

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