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7 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Ah, the old “the country is full” routine.

 

It isn’t. There’s plenty of room, money and building land.  What is in short supply is honesty, integrity and humanity. From our government and some of our citizens.

I did not say ‘full’. However, we need to honest and realistic about sustainable population growth.  Unsustainable population growth would require building on the green belt for example. One thing the pandemic should have taught us is the importance of green spaces for mental and physical health. Another thing is the concern that we need to be more self sufficient in our food production.  We should not be giving up farmland for housing making us more dependent on imports and requiring even more intensive farming. 
That is before even considering the costs of education, health etc.
That is not being heartless denying a few desperate souls a refuge from a war torn country making a perilous channel crossing. It is being honest and realistic that it is simply not possible for every refugee to be accommodated in the country of their choice (and lets be clear, for many that is NOT the UK). There are no easy solutions to this but a wishy washy ‘don’t be heartless’ argument to allow unconditional immigration to anyone who wants it is simply unsustainable.  Over the last 10 years the homelessness situation in this country has gone from bad to worse.  

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3 hours ago, redruby said:

I did not say ‘full’. However, we need to honest and realistic about sustainable population growth.  Unsustainable population growth would require building on the green belt for example. One thing the pandemic should have taught us is the importance of green spaces for mental and physical health. Another thing is the concern that we need to be more self sufficient in our food production.  We should not be giving up farmland for housing making us more dependent on imports and requiring even more intensive farming. 
That is before even considering the costs of education, health etc.
That is not being heartless denying a few desperate souls a refuge from a war torn country making a perilous channel crossing. It is being honest and realistic that it is simply not possible for every refugee to be accommodated in the country of their choice (and lets be clear, for many that is NOT the UK). There are no easy solutions to this but a wishy washy ‘don’t be heartless’ argument to allow unconditional immigration to anyone who wants it is simply unsustainable.  Over the last 10 years the homelessness situation in this country has gone from bad to worse.  

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11 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Ah, the old “the country is full” routine.

 

It isn’t. There’s plenty of room, money and building land.  What is in short supply is honesty, integrity and humanity. From our government and some of our citizens.

The earth is full, so our country is also full. That being said, we should share the responsibility for what is left.

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8 hours ago, El Cid said:

The earth is full, so our country is also full. That being said, we should share the responsibility for what is left.

This is quite plainly total nonsense.

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1 hour ago, Halibut said:

This is quite plainly total nonsense.

Isn't it funny how you expect someone to back up they claims with evidence if they dare to refute anything you claim. Yet you aren't prepared to do the same?

 

Hate to think you have double standards or anything

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43 minutes ago, Delayed said:

Isn't it funny how you expect someone to back up they claims with evidence if they dare to refute anything you claim. Yet you aren't prepared to do the same?

 

Hate to think you have double standards or anything

Not full.

 

How much of your area is built on? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41901294

 

Now we can wax lyrical on how climate climate change is effecting our country and wildlife, the impact of modern farming methods, plastic pollution etc, but we aren’t full.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Not full.

 

How much of your area is built on? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41901294

 

Now we can wax lyrical on how climate climate change is effecting our country and wildlife, the impact of modern farming methods, plastic pollution etc, but we aren’t full.

 

 

Good. Glad to see someone back up their arguments and not just make disagreeing sentiments or posts that just say "lol"

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1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

Not full.

 

How much of your area is built on? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41901294

 

Now we can wax lyrical on how climate climate change is effecting our country and wildlife, the impact of modern farming methods, plastic pollution etc, but we aren’t full.

 

 

Depends on who you believe,

 

"As an island nation with limited land area and natural resources, the United Kingdom is under tremendous population pressure.

The UK is one of the most nature-depleted countries in the world and with no end to population growth in sight, pressure on wildlife, housing, public services and resources will continue to grow."

https://populationmatters.org/the-facts/uk

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, retep said:

Depends on who you believe,

 

"As an island nation with limited land area and natural resources, the United Kingdom is under tremendous population pressure.

The UK is one of the most nature-depleted countries in the world and with no end to population growth in sight, pressure on wildlife, housing, public services and resources will continue to grow."

https://populationmatters.org/the-facts/uk

 

 

 

The solutions suggested on that page don't include stopping immigration / refugees / asylum seekers.

 

As more people live longer we need more people to pay for their pensions - or we need to decrease pensions - or increase taxes on the existing population.

 

Which do you choose?

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2 hours ago, Delayed said:

Isn't it funny how you expect someone to back up they claims with evidence if they dare to refute anything you claim. Yet you aren't prepared to do the same?

 

Hate to think you have double standards or anything

Pardon me for assuming you had the intelligence to know an obvious falsehood when you see one.

Contentious or unfamiliar ideas may well deserve referencing, but asserting that a claim that the country is full is nonsense is on a par with asserting that the sun coming out at night, or the moon being made green cheese is nonsense.

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23 minutes ago, retep said:

Depends on who you believe,

 

"As an island nation with limited land area and natural resources, the United Kingdom is under tremendous population pressure.

The UK is one of the most nature-depleted countries in the world and with no end to population growth in sight, pressure on wildlife, housing, public services and resources will continue to grow."

https://populationmatters.org/the-facts/uk

 

 

 

Interesting source.

 

Not like you to side with the yoghurt knitting lefties.

 

Population Matters is an influential think tank. Their policy on asylum seekers is that the U.K. government should “fulfil their moral and legal obligations to accept and support asylum seekers and refugees”. I guess you agree with that too.

 

I knew you’d find some humanity one day.

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5 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Interesting source.

 

Not like you to side with the yoghurt knitting lefties.

 

Population Matters is an influential think tank. Their policy on asylum seekers is that the U.K. government should “fulfil their moral and legal obligations to accept and support asylum seekers and refugees”. I guess you agree with that too.

 

I knew you’d find some humanity one day.

Are you suggesting the government are not?

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