Are Calais Migrants OUR Problem?

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20 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I'd be interested to know which Labour party you are calling mine.

I am a fervent supporter of Jeremy Corbyn (and what he tried to do,) because he was an authentic man of the people with genuine convictions, and lived the modest life to prove it. 

I am not a supporter of Keir Starmer who is the exact opposite, and is trying to purge the Labour party of its Socialist credentials. 

Angela Rayner is the only one left, (single mother, brought up in relative poverty, care worker, came up through the Unions) simply because he can't get rid of her (he's tried) Pity about the potty mouth. If she does public speaking events she might be worth a bit by now but I haven't checked.

Really poor people don't usually get into politics these days. They're too busy trying to do 3 jobs to survive.

 

Poor people with 3 jobs, Corbyn a man of the people eh? You just make it up as you go along.

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3 minutes ago, West 77 said:

yawn

You do realise when you reply with "yawn" everybody reads that as an admission you haven't got an answer to whatever point was made.

 

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A fair point.  The whole of the Schengen area is the big problem.  If France and Germany withdraw from the Schengen area than the remaining members would follow their lead. Now is the time that manned borders returned to all mainland EU countries.  It goes without saying the EU should be scrapping the Schengen area because they are hugely responsible for the economic migrant crisis throughout the EU.

As usual you are completely missing the point. Even if the Schengen agreement had never existed, it would still be relatively easy to cross the land borders between countries on the European mainland. Compare it with the NI/RoI border during the troubles. Even with border posts and heavy surveillance the IRA had little difficulty smuggling weapons and people across the border.

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10 minutes ago, West 77 said:

yawn

Such erudition and eloquence. Why do you post in here, again?

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2 hours ago, L00b said:

It is.

 

But then, we are where we are, with France in Schengen an’all.

 

So, well, you know…

 

<Gallic shrug> 😆

well there you go the french and french/eu sympathisers dont give a ****! this is what they want !

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Just now, ab6262 said:

well there you go the french and french/eu sympathisers dont give a ****! this is what they want !

well, why should they give a ****, exactly?

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1 minute ago, L00b said:

well, why should they give a ****, exactly?

I don’t care ( good old English shrug) 😀

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46 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I am a fervent supporter of Jeremy Corbyn (and what he tried to do,) because he was an authentic man of the people with genuine convictions, and lived the modest life to prove it. 

 

And when he retires and gives some of this back, then I'll believe it

 

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Over 30 years, he has claimed over £3 million from the state alone.

This is £1.5 million more than a normal MP.

Once he retires, he’s set to earn £1.6 million pension.

 

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Just now, L00b said:

well, why should they give a ****, exactly?

the migrants should be their problem not ours! they are on french territory first ?

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1 minute ago, ab6262 said:

5 minutes ago, L00b said:

well, why should they give a ****, exactly?

the migrants should be their problem not ours! they are on french territory first ?

As an internationalist, I see the size of the problem as being similar whether it is in northern France or the UK. Trying to insist that the French handle it, does not make it one jot smaller. And once the French decide that they do not want to cooperate in making it their problem the problem gets bigger and moreover refuses to stay on the French side of the Channel. Therefore, since the French are our friends and allies, we should work with them.

 

We should also give the larger bit of the problem, 'how to make sure refugees get the help they need', its proper priority.

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prevention is better than cure

 

 

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7 minutes ago, West 77 said:

They are not refugees. They are economic migrants. A genuine refugee will seek asylum in the first safe country they reach.

International law does not recognise this logic and nor do our courts.

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21 minutes ago, West 77 said:

I don't remember there being any economic migrant camps being in the Calais area before the Schengen area was created.  I seem to remember the first economic migrant camp being Sangatte around 1999.  It's common sense that if each mainland EU country had proper borders pre Schengen style then it would be much much harder for economic migrants to reach the French coast.

The Schengen area was created in 1985, if Schengen was responsible for them why didn't migrant camps appear shortly after that?

 

Your "common sense" is, as usual, nothing of the sort. Country borders have never been impenetrable barriers. There has always been a cost/benefit balance to them.

 

How much do you think the UK should pay to police it's borders? How much increased economic costs for ordinary trade should we accept? How much should we spend on the border force? What should we do with people we catch crossing the channel? As an example of the sort of thing you need to consider for the latter, various people have suggested Australia style offshore processing camps for migrants. They haven't looked at the costs though. Last year Australia spent about £2m per person per year. Are you prepared to pay that?