Are Calais Migrants OUR Problem?

[despritdan 241]

1 hour ago, harvey19 said:

Why aren't the young men trying to improve their own countries or look after their old, sick at home.

Because what most of them are escaping from is the mess they've made of their own societies, not having the mindset or civilised values to create their own European style societies which are generally safe and provide their citizens with a good standard of living, so they're actually running away from themselves. The problem is of course, that they bring their mindsets, values, attitudes and behaviour with them and inflict them on the host countries. Is anybody actually naive enough to believe that this annual invasion of thousands of young men from countries where women are viewed as second class citizens, with western women being viewed with particular contempt because of the way they dress and the increasing levels of intimidation and assaults on women in this country is just a coincidence?

 

It isn't just happening in this country; all the European countries who've allowed these migrants in are experiencing the same problems and the response of all the politicians, including ours has been the same - cover up and denial because they don't want their native citizens to realise what the consequences of their mistakes have been. As they continue to arrive in ever increasing numbers, this country will continue to sink until it becomes a hybrid of a 3rd world country and an Islamic state.

[tinfoilhat 11]

2 hours ago, West 77 said:

Because they are economic migrants.  The reason why so many Irish heritage people live in America is because there were a lot of Irish economic migrants moving there in the 1800's and early 1900's.  

Have a Google on the Irish famine.

[harvey19 541]

2 hours ago, West 77 said:

Because they are economic migrants.  The reason why so many Irish heritage people live in America is because there were a lot of Irish economic migrants moving there in the 1800's and early 1900's.  

I do not think these migrants were illegal migrants.

[alchresearch 213]

3 hours ago, harvey19 said:

Why aren't the young men trying to improve their own countries or look after their old, sick at home.

They're sold a dream and its hard to shake.  The guy in this story is obsessed with Manchester.  He believes its some kind of utopia and that England has plenty of jobs and isn't racist.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-58789567

 

And stuff like this doesn't help:

 

Food firm offering workers £30 an hour to pick broccoli - that's £62,000 a year

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/food-firm-offering-workers-30-21677777

Cabbage pickers offered £62,000 salary by firm amid national staff shortage

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/24/cabbage-pickers-offered-62000-salary-by-veg-firm-amid-uk-staff-shortage-15311969/

It turns out its piece work with the potential to earn that.

 

Imagine if you're reading that in the Sudan or the other migrant countries.  No wonder they think this country is the land of milk and honey is we turn our noses up at that salary.

Edited October 12, 2021 by alchresearch

[L00b 441]

26 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

I do not think these migrants were illegal migrants.

 No migrant is ever illegal, until the immigration system of their (end-) country of arrival deems them to be.

 

Most migrants are economic migrants. The subset of migrants fleeing for safety, ceases to be so once they arrive in the next country not at war/wherein they cease to be at immediate risk. It’s socio-economic forces (lure of a better life)  that pushes most to continue onwards.

 

And I dare say few if any migrants push on to Western Europe, Oz, the US, etc. in the hope of a cushy life at the local taxpayer’s expense. They just want a shot at improving their lot, in where they believe to be the best/safest location for that, and once there they will snap any chance they’re given without looking the gift horse in the mouth.

 

But that’s hardly the picture painted by racists, xenophobes and red tops, of course. They’d sooner everybody was, and stayed, afraid of this ‘other’. Keeps them in business for longer, y’see.

Edited October 12, 2021 by L00b

[harvey19 541]

5 hours ago, L00b said:

 No migrant is ever illegal, until the immigration system of their (end-) country of arrival deems them to be.

 

Most migrants are economic migrants. The subset of migrants fleeing for safety, ceases to be so once they arrive in the next country not at war/wherein they cease to be at immediate risk. It’s socio-economic forces (lure of a better life)  that pushes most to continue onwards.

 

And I dare say few if any migrants push on to Western Europe, Oz, the US, etc. in the hope of a cushy life at the local taxpayer’s expense. They just want a shot at improving their lot, in where they believe to be the best/safest location for that, and once there they will snap any chance they’re given without looking the gift horse in the mouth.

 

But that’s hardly the picture painted by racists, xenophobes and red tops, of course. They’d sooner everybody was, and stayed, afraid of this ‘other’. Keeps them in business for longer, y’see.

Shouldn't economic migrants gain the correct credentials before entering a country ?

[L00b 441]

1 hour ago, harvey19 said:

Shouldn't economic migrants gain the correct credentials before entering a country ?

Subject to what the country’s immigration laws are for whom coming from where, all migrants (including tourists) should do so, not only economic migrants.

That is what “No migrant is ever illegal, until the immigration system of their (end-) country of arrival deems them to be” means.

 

The Germans were smart in that respect. They’re in the exact same position as the UK, France and most other ‘old’ west European states: with a fast-ageing population entitled on state-funded everything, and too few younger generations working to keep paying for it all. So they spotted the opportunity in 2015 and hoovered up massive amounts of economic migrants to boost domestic economic activity and future tax receipts…just  like the UK had been hoovering up freshly-FoM’d east Europeans over a decade by then, and doing rather OK for itself out of it.

 

Fast forward to 2021. Germany still got its migrants - and a little more since. The UK allegedly lost 1.3m of those since 2020 or 2019, if reports are anything to go by, and can’t seem to get hold of replacements.

 

So German OAP bums are getting wiped by Syrian or Eritrean nurses. And British OAP bums,  that used to get wiped by Polish or Latvian or Portuguese carers, are now getting wiped by family member-carers. Well, those who have family member-carers, that is.

 

By all means, just ask youguns to do it, as was suggested further up the thread. See how far you get 🙃

[ukdobby 223]

How much training do you need to wipe bums?

[L00b 441]

2 minutes ago, ukdobby said:

How much training do you need to wipe bums?

About as much as to pick fruits and crops maybe?

 

How’s that one going, by the way?

[harvey19 541]

5 minutes ago, L00b said:

Subject to what the country’s immigration laws are for whom coming from where, all migrants (including tourists) should do so, not only economic migrants.

That is what “No migrant is ever illegal, until the immigration system of their (end-) country of arrival deems them to be” means.

 

The Germans were smart in that respect. They’re in the exact same position as the UK, France and most other ‘old’ west European states: with a fast-ageing population entitled on state-funded everything, and too few younger generations working to keep paying for it all. So they spotted the opportunity in 2015 and hoovered up massive amounts of economic migrants to boost domestic economic activity and future tax receipts…just  like the UK had been hoovering up freshly-FoM’d east Europeans over a decade by then, and doing rather OK for itself out of it.

 

Fast forward to 2021. Germany still got its migrants - and a little more since. The UK allegedly lost 1.3m of those since 2020 or 2019, if reports are anything to go by, and can’t seem to get hold of replacements.

 

So German OAP bums are getting wiped by Syrian or Eritrean nurses. And British OAP bums,  that used to get wiped by Polish or Latvian or Portuguese carers, are now getting wiped by family member-carers. Well, those who have family member-carers, that is.

 

By all means, just ask youguns to do it, as was suggested further up the thread. See how far you get 🙃

Interesting

[ukdobby 223]

25 minutes ago, L00b said:

About as much as to pick fruits and crops maybe?

 

How’s that one going, by the way?

Exactly we have jobs for the untrained.

[L00b 441]

14 hours ago, ukdobby said:

Exactly we have jobs for the untrained.

When did you ever not? 🤔