Are Calais Migrants OUR Problem?

[Baron99 794]

So The Guardian is running a story revealing three main players in the people smuggling racket are actually based in the UK. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/24/kingpins-in-channel-smuggling-operations-living-freely-in-the-uk-say-migrants

 

Ipso facto, those prepared to pay to have themselves smuggled into the UK are NOT genuine refugees but as stated last year by a UN envoy, part of the 70% cohort of economic migrants & therefore have no right to be in the UK.   Such people should be treated as criminals from the off. 

 

If you have to sneak in, there's a good chance, you have nothing to offer. 

Edited July 24, 2021 by Baron99

[El Cid 219]

1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

Such people should be treated as criminals from the off. 

 

If you have to sneak in, there's a good chance, you have nothing to offer. 

Across England and Wales, the average overall cost per prisoner per year was £42,700

Edited July 24, 2021 by El Cid

[The Joker 10]

2 hours ago, El Cid said:

Across England and Wales, the average overall cost per prisoner per year was £42,700

That's not good value for money, is it?  Eton is only slightly more expensive at £44,094 a year

 

https://www.etoncollege.com/admissions/fees/

 

[butlers 261]

Was also said yesterday Germany deals with 4 times the number of illegal entries and France 3 times our level if illegal entries.

 

[Baron99 794]

2 hours ago, butlers said:

Was also said yesterday Germany deals with 4 times the number of illegal entries and France 3 times our level if illegal entries.

 

How do they deal with them?  Do they deport the illegal migrants? 

 

Do they repatriate them back to their homeland without anyone quibbling the matter?   Do they send them back to the country they crossed the border to enter Germany and France? 

 

Does seem strange that if France 'deal' with 3 times the number of illegal migrants, we still end up with boatloads crossing The Channel?  Clearly they aren't dealing with enough? 

Edited July 24, 2021 by Baron99

[The Joker 10]

8 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Ipso facto, those prepared to pay to have themselves smuggled into the UK are NOT genuine refugees but as stated last year by a UN envoy, part of the 70% cohort of economic migrants & therefore have no right to be in the UK.   Such people should be treated as criminals from the off. 

 

If you have to sneak in, there's a good chance, you have nothing to offer. 

As I've previously explained on several occasions now, our meticulously well-planned and organised Brexit, along with the Evil Tories programme of open hostility to immigrants, has had the effect of sending all the useful Eastern Europeans home.

 

Unfortunately, those successful businessmen who voted for Brexit in order to secure our borders, and keep our sovereignty, and negotiate our own trade deals, have only just realised that there is nobody left willing to pick fruit in the fields, or wash cars by hand, or serve food in pubs, or even drive vans for supermarket home deliveries, for poverty wages.

 

Now, I'm guessing you're not willing to pick fruit, or wash card by hand, or serve food in pubs, or drive vans for supermarket home deliveries, all for a poverty wage?

 

Nah, me neither.

 

 

 

 

[Findlay 116]

They are at Calais to get to the UK, there is no other reason for them to be there.

If we can offer people a better life then maybe the French and Germans should be asking why do people want to go to the UK and not stay in France or Germany.

[Magilla 510]

54 minutes ago, Findlay said:

They are at Calais to get to the UK, there is no other reason for them to be there.

If we can offer people a better life then maybe the French and Germans should be asking why do people want to go to the UK and not stay in France or Germany.

The vast majority of them do stay in France or Germany.

8 minutes ago, West 77 said:

There was a picture of one of the economic migrants with his arms raised above his head and a big smile on his face when he arrived on British soil. Nigel Farage said it looked like he'd just won the lottery.

In a way he has, he can no longer be returned to the "first safe country" he entered, and his chances of succeeding in his asylum bid have risen significantly!

 

In part, thanks to Farage!

[Magilla 510]

4 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Nonsense.  The problem and the numbers would be exactly the same if the UK had remained in the EU.

Aye, that upswing in boats since the UK left the EU... is just a coincidence

 

4 minutes ago, West 77 said:

The inflatable boat method of economic migrants getting to the UK only started a few years ago and escalated because the criminal gangs have learnt thanks to the French it works.  Very few asylum seekers were ever sent back to the first safe country within the EU while the UK were still in the EU because it's difficult to even prove where they first entered the EU due to a lack of finger print evidence.  What we do know  is if every economic migrant who makes the journey to England on an inflatable boat has been on French soil and that is where they all should be sent back to.

Sadly, you voted to remove the UK from the legislation that would have made that even a remote legal possibility.

[El Cid 219]

1 hour ago, Findlay said:

They are at Calais to get to the UK, there is no other reason for them to be there.

If we can offer people a better life then maybe the French and Germans should be asking why do people want to go to the UK and not stay in France or Germany.

If we could have stopped these boat people 5 years ago we would have, its an easy crossing. Neither can other countries stop immigration when they have a land border.

We should accept this and adapt. Most of our immigration is not via this route, but via regular travel, boats, aeroplanes and the channel tunnel.

[Magilla 510]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

Of course it is.  The same criminals organising these illegals inflatable boat journeys deal in activities such as drug smuggling.  However, they recently  learnt a new modern lucrative criminal activity involving less risks to them personally thanks to the EU Schengen agreement and the untrustworthy French.

So... the recent upswing is a result of Schengen, in place for decades, but those pesky criminals only just cottoned on when the UK left the EU?

 

Sounds plausible... not!

 

This was, of course, another one of those "Project Reality" predictions made before the vote!

 

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I voted to leave the EU.   At least you've acknowledged the Dublin agreement on asylum is about as useful as a chocolate French coffee pot in returning economic migrants pretending to be refugee asylum seekers to where they first entered the EU.

I have no idea how useful it is, neither do you, but one thing is certain... they wouldn't be going back to France!

 

Either way, as a result of your vote, the "first safe country" requirement no longer applies to migrants or asylum seekers entering the UK from the EU.

Edited July 27, 2021 by Magilla

[Magilla 510]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

There is no logic to support that the recent new criminal activity of inflatable boats being used to transport economic migrants to UK waters is connected to Brexit.

There is plenty of logic, the chance of success for wanna-be asylum seekers has increased significantly.

 

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However, it's logical to claim the Schengen agreements is a massive help to the criminals in order for the economic migrants to make their way to the French coast around the Calais area.  

Schengen has been going for decades, it is not new.

 

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Just remind me who predicted the English channel  would be swamped with economic migrants making their way to the Kent coast on inflated boats before the EU referendum vote.

David Cameron for one, who stated that Brexit may lead to the need for migrant camps to be setup in Kent!

 

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You make yourself look silly praising the Dublin asylum agreement when you admit to not knowing how useful it is.

Two days ago you claimed the "first safe country" rule was part of the Geneva convention...

 

...so much for ignorance and making yourself look silly!

 

A great idea then... turns out it's EU legislation, not so keen now

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by Magilla