Are Calais Migrants OUR Problem?

[redruby 279]

22 hours ago, catmiss said:

Not much but they are indebted and pursued for payment once they arrive at their destination, possibly housed in overcrowded and high rent HOMO and forced to work in unregulated employment for unregulated pay. Illegal migrants are being ‘sold’ a dream but often experience a nightmare payment 

Yes, I this something that doesn’t get discussed as often as it should be and some are not aware of.

[Samantha ❤️ 0]

NO

[Halibut 12]

5 hours ago, Samantha ❤️ said:

NO

So what do you propose we do Samantha? Let's imagine a child of yours who is forced to flee the country to seek safety elsewhere - how would you like that child to be treated if they land on a foreign shore?

On 19/08/2020 at 17:00, Baron99 said:

The body of a 16 Yr old has been found on a beach at Sangatte on the  northern French coast.  He is believed to have drowned in The Channel? 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-53835374

 

Heard a radio report earlier where refugee charities are calling for the resignation of the Home Secretary, Priti Patel as they believe this incident is her fault as there are no securitous immigration routes into the UK that would prevent such a tragedy?  

 

What utter & ridiculous rubbish, calling for Patel's head. 

 

Yes this is a terrible tradegy but the migrant who has died could have put an end to his to his situation at any point by claiming asylum in the numerous countries he passed thorough. 

 

As for migrants not having a secure route into the UK, again rubbish.  The UK like many countries, take the genuine refugees from refugee camps set up by the UN, to deal with the genuine cases who are fleeing their war torn countries. 

 

The ones to blame here are the people traffickers and it doesn't help that charities working both in the UK & over the other side of The Channel are seemingly helping the people traffickers in perpetuating a dream of a better life in the UK by not deterring migrants from paying the traffickers & having them risk their lives attempting a crossing. 

 

I've seen  & heard a number of interviews over the years with charity workers but I don't recall any, even those at the senior management level, condemning the people traffickers?  Their claims of injustice is always directed at the UK Govt. 

Do you know how many asylum seekers we take compared to other countries Baron99? It's pitiful.

[peteh1 10]

On 23/08/2020 at 00:45, catmiss said:

Not much but they are indebted and pursued for payment once they arrive at their destination, possibly housed in overcrowded and high rent HOMO and forced to work in unregulated employment for unregulated pay. Illegal migrants are being ‘sold’ a dream but often experience a nightmare payment 

If their situation was so dire once they arrived here, I'm sure the word would get back and there would be virtually no one making the crossing, unless France / Germany offer much worse conditions ?

[RJRB 686]

2 hours ago, peteh1 said:

If their situation was so dire once they arrived here, I'm sure the word would get back and there would be virtually no one making the crossing, unless France / Germany offer much worse conditions ?

Many parts of the world are complete disaster areas.

Famine,wars,genocide.

It’s hardly surprising that some will take undertake incredible risks and dangers

to escape these horrors.

France and Germany take 3 or 4 times more refugees than the U.K. and like it or not we have some responsibility just on a humanitarian basis.

 

[Bargepole23 337]

7 hours ago, RJRB said:

Many parts of the world are complete disaster areas.

Famine,wars,genocide.

It’s hardly surprising that some will take undertake incredible risks and dangers

to escape these horrors.

France and Germany take 3 or 4 times more refugees than the U.K. and like it or not we have some responsibility just on a humanitarian basis.

 

Couldn't agree more RJRB.

[redruby 279]

18 hours ago, RJRB said:

Many parts of the world are complete disaster areas.

Famine,wars,genocide.

It’s hardly surprising that some will take undertake incredible risks and dangers

to escape these horrors.

France and Germany take 3 or 4 times more refugees than the U.K. and like it or not we have some responsibility just on a humanitarian basis.

 

Only in proportion to what we can sustainably accommodate.  France and Germany are geographically much larger the the UK with a lower population density.  It is far too simplistic to say we should take the same numbers of either of these countries.

The recent case of the ‘16 year old boy’ who died trying to cross the channel actually turned out to be a 28 year man who had attempted to claim asylum in France but had been rejected.  It is still desperately sad but illustrates the issue is more complex than the headlines would have us believe.

Edited August 25, 2020 by redruby

[Magilla 510]

14 minutes ago, West 77 said:

France and Germany signed up to Shengen which the UK didn't. Merkel is hugely responsible by sending out a welcome all message.

How does 'Schengen', applicable only to EU citizens, send out a welcome message to non-EU migrants coming over the channel?

[peteh1 10]

It gave an implied open boarders message that was seized upon by the many desperate people and chances alike.

[RJRB 686]

4 hours ago, redruby said:

Only in proportion to what we can sustainably accommodate.  France and Germany are geographically much larger the the UK with a lower population density.  It is far too simplistic to say we should take the same numbers of either of these countries.

The recent case of the ‘16 year old boy’ who died trying to cross the channel actually turned out to be a 28 year man who had attempted to claim asylum in France but had been rejected.  It is still desperately sad but illustrates the issue is more complex than the headlines would have us believe.

There is nothing simple about this issue and I did not suggest that we should or could absorb the same numbers.We can certainly do more.

 

There are those who suggest that all refugees into Europe are trying to get to the U.K. which is plainly not true.

Some do for various reasons,being English speakers,have contacts here or just believing that we can offer them a better life.

 

 

 

[redruby 279]

32 minutes ago, RJRB said:

There is nothing simple about this issue and I did not suggest that we should or could absorb the same numbers.We can certainly do more.

 

There are those who suggest that all refugees into Europe are trying to get to the U.K. which is plainly not true.

Some do for various reasons,being English speakers,have contacts here or just believing that we can offer them a better life.

 

 

 

Stating France and Germany take 3-4 the number of refugees and that we should ‘do more’ implies we aren’t taking nearly enough. Can we support many more though? Apparently Kent social services are overwhelmed by the the numbers they have to deal with.  Whilst people are sleeping rough and struggling in this country do we not have humanitarian responsibility to them too? 

[Pettytom 1]

34 minutes ago, redruby said:

Stating France and Germany take 3-4 the number of refugees and that we should ‘do more’ implies we aren’t taking nearly enough. Can we support many more though? Apparently Kent social services are overwhelmed by the the numbers they have to deal with.  Whilst people are sleeping rough and struggling in this country do we not have humanitarian responsibility to them too? 

We can afford to subsidise MaccyD’s and Nando’s. There is plenty of cash should we choose to use it. 
 

We clearly lack the political will to tackle the problem. Let’s also be clear, it is a problem that we are partially responsible for.