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It's a fairly typical example of anti-snobbery isn't it.

No matter how obvious the cause is, some people think it's clever to come out in favour of the less popular side. They almost certainly don't actually care, and they probably don't even believe what they're saying.

 

 

Could you be any more patronising?

 

Let me give you some hard examples. Sheldon Road in S7 is a disaster area, where people simply cannot walk on the pavements because the trees have destroyed them. I don't know about you, but when I see young mothers pushing their kids in push chairs on the road beside the traffic, because it's impossible to use the pavement, my instinct is to put their needs over the trees (which, mind you, are suffering becasuse they were planted too close together decades ago).

 

There are many shades of grey in this discussion. Cheap platitudes about caring about trees sounds good and are so easy to rally behind and look oh-so-caring, but sadly life is a little more nuanced than that.

 

And, yes, Cyclone. The silent majority do exist. I know and talk to many people who cringe in embarassment at the protesters' one dimensional view which tolerates no deviation. Some of them - god forbid - actually vote Green but realise something needs to be done to preserve the trees for future generations to come.

 

You guys don't have a monopoly on being right you know, although you do enjoy that position on sanctimony.

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I guess I could, but I'd have to put some effort in.

 

The silent majority do exist, I agree, they're silently in favour of the protests and aghast at the wholesale removal of trees for no good reason.

 

I don't know who you think "you guys" are, I'm not a member of STAG and I've never been out to protest a tree removal. On the other hand if Bryan Lodge were on fire in front of me I'd struggle to find the need to micturate.

 

Out of interest;

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3590443,-1.4849268,3a,75y,306.86h,90.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st2fpuuLoibjZT2MFbbAjrw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Which section do you think is impassable and forces the children (won't someone think of the children) into the road with their mothers pushing them?

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Could you be any more patronising?

 

Let me give you some hard examples. Sheldon Road in S7 is a disaster area, where people simply cannot walk on the pavements because the trees have destroyed them. I don't know about you, but when I see young mothers pushing their kids in push chairs on the road beside the traffic, because it's impossible to use the pavement, my instinct is to put their needs over the trees (which, mind you, are suffering becasuse they were planted too close together decades ago).

 

There are many shades of grey in this discussion. Cheap platitudes about caring about trees sounds good and are so easy to rally behind and look oh-so-caring, but sadly life is a little more nuanced than that.

 

And, yes, Cyclone. The silent majority do exist. I know and talk to many people who cringe in embarassment at the protesters' one dimensional view which tolerates no deviation. Some of them - god forbid - actually vote Green but realise something needs to be done to preserve the trees for future generations to come.

 

You guys don't have a monopoly on being right you know, although you do enjoy that position on sanctimony.

The footpath on sheldon has been affected by trees but it’s not that bad!! As someone who uses footpaths a lot I’d say the biggest cause of obstruction on footpaths is parked vehicles.

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The footpath on sheldon has been affected by trees but it’s not that bad!! As someone who uses footpaths a lot I’d say the biggest cause of obstruction on footpaths is parked vehicles.

 

 

There are sections of the pavement around some of the trees where the root growth is so pronounced that it has buckled the pavement. I walk down there most days, and I dont rely on Cyclone's silly Google Map images to see what I see.

 

But, hey, he or she has decided it's not an issue so I shall tell them not to worry.

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I've no idea what their plans are -but it's been like that for about a year now. The holes in the pavement are a 'no win, no fee' claim waiting to happen in my view.

 

I'm still baffled as to why anyone would be "embarrassed" by a group of people not wanting healthy trees destroyed to line the pockets of a multinational company.

 

These trees don't need to be 'replaced' (although, as mentioned, they're not being where I live) at all. They need to be properly maintained. They're not causing problems - as the independent survey showed. No one has ever disputed the removing of trees that the survey stated need replacing. That the survey was undertaken and then ignored is indefensible.

 

Hi Paula,

Have the trees not been replaced because the felling work has stopped?

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I guess I could, but I'd have to put some effort in.

 

The silent majority do exist, I agree, they're silently in favour of the protests and aghast at the wholesale removal of trees for no good reason.

 

I don't know who you think "you guys" are, I'm not a member of STAG and I've never been out to protest a tree removal. On the other hand if Bryan Lodge were on fire in front of me I'd struggle to find the need to micturate.

 

Out of interest;

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3590443,-1.4849268,3a,75y,306.86h,90.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st2fpuuLoibjZT2MFbbAjrw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Which section do you think is impassable and forces the children (won't someone think of the children) into the road with their mothers pushing them?

 

You’ve nothing to back that statement up - it’s based purely on your own echo chamber.

 

I don’t profess to know - but I would guess the silent majority doesn’t really care - a small amount of people will be against - and a small amount can be bothered to question the protestors actions.

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There are sections of the pavement around some of the trees where the root growth is so pronounced that it has buckled the pavement. I walk down there most days, and I dont rely on Cyclone's silly Google Map images to see what I see.

 

But, hey, he or she has decided it's not an issue so I shall tell them not to worry.

 

I also walk on sheldon road regularly so I know what it’s like and wouldn’t say it was a ‘disaster area’. Yes, the footpath is uneven in places but it’s hardly impassable and as I understand it there are ways of dealing with that don’t involve chopping down healthy trees.

 

Trees help mitigate the pollution from too many vehicles on the roads. I have noticed that many of those in favour of chopping down trees are the types that drive everywhere including short trips that are quite walkable. And yet they complain about the state of footpaths.

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I also walk on sheldon road regularly so I know what it’s like and wouldn’t say it was a ‘disaster area’. Yes, the footpath is uneven in places but it’s hardly impassable and as I understand it there are ways of dealing with that don’t involve chopping down healthy trees.

 

Trees help mitigate the pollution from too many vehicles on the roads. I have noticed that many of those in favour of chopping down trees are the types that drive everywhere including short trips that are quite walkable. And yet they complain about the state of footpaths.

 

So you’ve met some people that told you they were in favour of chopping down trees - and they told you they drive everywhere - and then they told you they were unhappy with the state of the footpaths?

 

That must have been a weird conversation- it’s almost like that conversation set them out as a prime example of someone who fit a mould of an unreasonable opponent to the tree felling programme.

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You should question them on this thread if you want to check makapaka.

Whilst you're at it, ask them about political left/right leanings and level of education. I suspect we'd see a correlation there as well.

 

---------- Post added 15-09-2018 at 09:09 ----------

 

You’ve nothing to back that statement up - it’s based purely on your own echo chamber.

Much like the point I was reflecting, did you not notice that?

In fact bendix did it first, so where's the post telling him that his echo chamber anecdotes aren't evidence?

 

I don’t profess to know - but I would guess the silent majority doesn’t really care - a small amount of people will be against - and a small amount can be bothered to question the protestors actions.

 

Could well be the case, might not be, you're guessing, I'm basing it on my anecdotal experience as was bendix.

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Could you be any more patronising?

 

Let me give you some hard examples. Sheldon Road in S7 is a disaster area, where people simply cannot walk on the pavements because the trees have destroyed them. I don't know about you, but when I see young mothers pushing their kids in push chairs on the road beside the traffic, because it's impossible to use the pavement, my instinct is to put their needs over the trees (which, mind you, are suffering becasuse they were planted too close together decades ago).

 

There are many shades of grey in this discussion. Cheap platitudes about caring about trees sounds good and are so easy to rally behind and look oh-so-caring, but sadly life is a little more nuanced than that.

 

And, yes, Cyclone. The silent majority do exist. I know and talk to many people who cringe in embarassment at the protesters' one dimensional view which tolerates no deviation. Some of them - god forbid - actually vote Green but realise something needs to be done to preserve the trees for future generations to come.

 

You guys don't have a monopoly on being right you know, although you do enjoy that position on sanctimony.

 

 

For Sheldon Road 23 out of the 28 households who responded to the ITP objected to the trees being removed. So it would seem that your views do not reflect those of the people who live there

 

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/content/dam/sheffield/docs/roads-and-pavements/managingtrees/Sheldon%20Road.pdf

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And the ITP actually agreed that the 10 trees identified should be removed and replaced.

I wonder if only those 10 actually were though, or if many more were removed.

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For Sheldon Road 23 out of the 28 households who responded to the ITP objected to the trees being removed. So it would seem that your views do not reflect those of the people who live there

 

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/content/dam/sheffield/docs/roads-and-pavements/managingtrees/Sheldon%20Road.pdf

 

What this shows is the vast majority of people aren’t bothered.

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