Council tree felling...

[c00kie 10]

Meanwhile you can take a positive step by signing a hugely popular petition to unhitch Sheffield from the disastrous contract with Amey:

https://www.change.org/p/petition-to-rescind-the-streets-ahead-pfi-contract-with-amey-hallam-highways-ltd

[The Joker 10]

I'm all for anyone that wants to stand up and be counted- regardless of where they come from, or their financial background.

 

Glad some people have the guts to stand up for their beliefs and attempt to make right things they believe are wrong in general.

 

oh I’m all for standing up to the council. You’ll know from my previous posts how I’ve bitched at some of the council’s daft schemes including handing over the bins and incinerator to Veolia on a 25-year contract, and allowing the landfill site at Shirecliffe to remain open for several more years.

 

Both of those schemes went ahead though, and they are sited in the poorest parts of the city.

 

Maybe if the tree protestors could have lent their support we could have succeeded in overturning these decisions, eh ?

 

Where was our media coverage

[leftylou 10]

Well, I started a new thread as I didn't think any of the other threads addressed the issue of simply wishing these bleeding hearts weren't getting so much air time. I notice that the has been moved into a thread about Sandford Grove Road. I don't know what that is, which is why I didn't post in the thread.

 

My point is that this is being blown out of all proportion by the magnification of the media. In much the same way that Farage has been on QT 34 times despite never being elected MP, these empty cans with big marbles in them are attracting attention.

 

The real issues and inequalities in our city are being ignored because of the time that council are wasting on these people's property portfolios. All being done whilst more of our children that ever before are going to work without eating. For shame.

 

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Where was our media coverage

 

Exactly. Trees are sexy, trying to clean up Shirecliffe isn't.

 

To see the point, look at the exclusively white, male, middle aged line up that they have to do their fundraiser. How very Sheffield.

[paula4sheff 10]

oh I’m all for standing up to the council. You’ll know from my previous posts how I’ve bitched at some of the council’s daft schemes including handing over the incinerator to Veolia on a 25-year contract, and allowing the landfill site at Shirecliffe to remain open for several more years.

 

Both of those schemes went ahead though, and they are sited in the poorest parts of the city.

 

Maybe if the tree protestors could have lent their support we could have succeeded in overturning these decisions, eh ?

 

Bunch of precious nimbies

 

I think that's just inevitable in life though - the same reason people know for instance that KFC is shut, but not how many people died in Syria the same day. People just pay more attention when they see it happening in their area as they're more aware of it. We're all guilty of it I think.

[leftylou 10]

I think that's just inevitable in life though - the same reason people know for instance that KFC is shut, but not how many people died in Syria the same day. People just pay more attention when they see it happening in their area as they're more aware of it. We're all guilty of it I think.

 

 

Oh please. The good folk of Nether Edge know that Sharrow and Abbeydale Road are just round the corner from them. This isn't Syria we're talking about, this is all Sheffield.

[hackey lad 3,965]

Well, I started a new thread as I didn't think any of the other threads addressed the issue of simply wishing these bleeding hearts weren't getting so much air time. I notice that the has been moved into a thread about Sandford Grove Road. I don't know what that is, which is why I didn't post in the thread.

 

My point is that this is being blown out of all proportion by the magnification of the media. In much the same way that Farage has been on QT 34 times despite never being elected MP, these empty cans with big marbles in them are attracting attention.

 

The real issues and inequalities in our city are being ignored because of the time that council are wasting on these people's property portfolios. All being done whilst more of our children that ever before are going to work without eating. For shame.

 

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Exactly. Trees are sexy, trying to clean up Shirecliffe isn't.

 

To see the point, look at the exclusively white, male, middle aged line up that they have to do their fundraiser. How very Sheffield.

 

Wow , someone has got a bee in their bonnet

[Angela P 10]

I've had enough by now of these tree protesters making use of the fact that they are retired, and better than averagely educated so can make the most of getting publicity for something that the majority of Sheffield doesn't care about.

 

I now see that the middle classes and the millionaires are joining forces at The City Hall where they can play a gig with the Everly Pregnant Brothers, and listen to Jarvis DJ (!), whilst all feeling good and proletariat about their actions. In reality, these "working class" northern lads wouldn't be getting involved with tree protests if it wasn't taking place outside their posh houses. As the S11 set party on down in the City Hall Ballroom (ironically a council venue), I hope some of them will look at the thousands, nay tens of thousands of pounds that are being spent subsidising their new found hobby of "getting offended".

 

They weren't tempted out when Sure Starts closed, or when PIP started killing people, or when families were ripped apart because of the bedroom tax. They haven't been seen on the streets of Firth Park getting upset about the raging inequality in our city, or organising a fundraiser for a food bank. But do something that might knock 5K off their house, and they are in the city hall before you can say "champagne socialist".

 

This is a none issue. They've been thrown out of court three times, let the council get on with the job it was elected to do, and let the police investigate crime.On Facebook today, they were all crowing about how many police they had had up there today, and how much it cost. They didn't mention the those cops may be better employed helping out people in need today, or investigating the rapes of 1500 children in Rotherham. Of course they didn't, because it doesn't affect them.

 

By the time they've paid the council the rent on the city hall, and hired in a pa and lights, they'll raise next to nothing.They could have chucked in a grand each and raised more. But no-one would have seen that, and I n middle class land, charity is only worth doing if it gets you in the press.

 

There are those of us who work daily in our communities have looked on with envy at the amount of media being given to this story, it's taken all the noise, as it's taking all the money.

 

For gods sake, get it over with then they can go back to pretending they're working class because their Dad once walked past Steel Peach and Tozer.

Well said, could not agree more.

[The Joker 10]

I'd like to think Putin had penetrated Sheffield Forum. I'd enjoy that immensely.

 

I imagine that every new poster starting a brand new topic on an existing controversial and divisive subject is under Putin’s control

[Guest makapaka]

PLEASE stop trying to twist what people say.

 

Those things quite obviously don't come from one sentence- they come from following developments in Sheffield, and across the country, for a long period of time- as you know very well.

 

That’s not what your post says. I haven’t twisted anything you’ve said.

 

Don’t accuse me of twisting things because you’re not able to articulate your point correctly.

[onewheeldave 22]

I've had enough by now of these tree protesters making use of the fact that they are retired, and better than averagely educated so can make the most of getting publicity for something that the majority of Sheffield doesn't care about.

A lot of Sheffield do care about this. And the fact that the protesters are educated enough, and, in the case of the retired ones, have enough time, to mount a very effective campaign, is, IMO, very good.

..................They weren't tempted out when Sure Starts closed, or when PIP started killing people, or when families were ripped apart because of the bedroom tax. They haven't been seen on the streets of Firth Park getting upset about the raging inequality in our city, or organising a fundraiser for a food bank. But do something that might knock 5K off their house, and they are in the city hall before you can say "champagne socialist".

 

This is a none issue. They've been thrown out of court three times, let the council get on with the job it was elected to do, and let the police investigate crime.On Facebook today, they were all crowing about how many police they had had up there today, and how much it cost. They didn't mention the those cops may be better employed helping out people in need today, or investigating the rapes of 1500 children in Rotherham. Of course they didn't, because it doesn't affect them.

A lot of the protesters are not well-off. It's presumptious to declare that they didn't care about PIP, bedroom tax etc, I'm sure a decent portion of them invested, and, continue to invest, effort into those issues.

 

You may recall I've posted extensively on here about the Welfare Reforms Death scandal, and I've been truly appalled at the number of apologists on SF who rise up and deny the facts on that issue- shocking how so many have bought into the scapegoating and delusional view of benefits claimants and disabled benefits claimants that the authorities and media push.

 

It's good that there are people like you who clearly do see the reality of the authorities disgusting scapegoating and attacking of the most vulnerable.

 

But the fact that really important issues like those are not addressed with anything like the needed effort, doesn't mean that it's not worth while tackling the council corruption involved in letting global corporations like Amey loose on a valuable resource like our trees.

 

After all, this is not just about saving healthy trees- it could well be a key point of leverage in exposing the corruption of PFI contracts in general. The mechanisms by which global and inept corporations can shaft councils and constituents over tree maintenance contracts, are the same mechanisms by which trash like ATOS can get to run benefits assessments in such a way that tens of thousands of vulnerable, disabled victims are pushed into suicide after having been found, incorrectly, capable of work and have all their rent/food money taken off them.

 

As for the Rotherham rapes- it's not like the police occupied with the protests would be doing anything about them, is it? The problem is that the authorities do not care about systematic abuse of children, or the killing of the disabled, any more than they care about the felling of healthy trees or the fact that all politics is utterly corrupt, unless there's sufficient numbers of protesting public that it threatens their vote.

 

And I wish that the campaign against the Welfare Reform Deaths was going as well as the tree protest- but, it isn't, and that's a real tragedy, because it means tens of thousands more vulnerable, disabled people are going to die. But while the fight against corruption evident in the tree campaign won't directly address those deaths, every victory against system corruption, every little reminder to the authorities that there's a limit to what they can get away with, makes it that bit more likely that the public will see their own power, and, hopefully, become aware of the holocaust that is happening, right here and now, in Britain, in 2018.

[paula4sheff 10]

That’s not what your post says. I haven’t twisted anything you’ve said.

 

Don’t accuse me of twisting things because you’re not able to articulate your point correctly.

 

No, my point was very clear. You're doing your usual routine, that people have called you out for time and time again. We all get it- you're imvested in some way with council or amey and that means you have to say certain things. But please stop with the deliverate attempts to miscontrue the thoughts and commebts of othwrs to creat arguments. It's very boring. We get that you love the council and amey and think they do no wrong- but maybe time to let others discuss matters, without having every comment pulled to shreds via wilful misconstruing.

 

Others debate reasonably from both sides. Please let them do so.

[Guest makapaka]

No, my point was very clear. You're doing your usual routine, that people have called you out for time and time again. We all get it- you're imvested in some way with council or amey and that means you have to say certain things. But please stop with the deliverate attempts to miscontrue the thoughts and commebts of othwrs to creat arguments. It's very boring. We get that you love the council and amey and think they do no wrong- but maybe time to let others discuss matters, without having every comment pulled to shreds via wilful misconstruing.

 

Others debate reasonably from both sides. Please let them do so.

 

You don’t debate anything - if anyone puts something to you which you don’t agree with you just go into a huff and say they’re are somehow doing something wrong and that no one agrees with them.

 

Just look at your post above - it’s daft.

 

I make a point and you just rant on about creating arguments / twisting words.

 

Have you made your comments on the guardian article from earlieryet? The one where myself and another poster were discussing the article and you jumped in and told the other poster to ignore me because (yawn) “I twisted words”.