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Narrow pavements do not go well with large stemmed trees.

A rolling replacement programme over the years would have avoided the current crisis.

 

No, narrow pavements do not go well with those 4-foot-wide ClearChannel advertising screens either, yet SCC have installed them. The one on Eccy Road really is taking the <removed>.

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No, narrow pavements do not go well with those 4-foot-wide ClearChannel advertising screens either, yet SCC have installed them. The one on Eccy Road really is taking the <removed>.

 

Good point but you will be told they are raising revenue for the council :roll:

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Many of the trees in Sheffield have reached stages of maturity as a result of lack of management.

 

This does not absolve SCC, Amey, Acorn from their duplicity, incompetence and possible corruption alongside the disaster of the PFI contract, but correct management of our street tree population would not have led to the current age class distribution.

 

Narrow pavements do not go well with large stemmed trees.

A rolling replacement programme over the years would have avoided the current crisis.

 

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I know for a fact that other officers do not have practical experience of the specific titles for the roles that they hold.

Hence my questioning of the experience of the officer in question.

His report is being selectively quoted. Much of it is accurate, but you must be careful in taking it as a whole as coming from some kind of expert. I think he does hold some form of arboricultural qualification but it is not clear, hence my questioning.

 

Is that true of the delegated officer’s report, or just the tree survey report?

 

I still question tha purpose behind questioning the qualifications of the tree manager. Whilst there is of course nothing wrong with that, and it’s good to verify the value of such information, the same is true of everything, not just this.

 

Additionally, the only parts of the report I have quoted refer to objective facts, such as the size and maturity of the trees. Indeed I don’t believe the report makes any claims that aren’t objectively based.

 

You say much of the report is accurate, which parts do you think aren’t accurate?

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Additionally, the only parts of the report I have quoted refer to objective facts, such as the size and maturity of the trees. Indeed I don’t believe the report makes any claims that aren’t objectively based.

 

 

In post #1830 you refer to the trees as "large canopied mature trees". The parts of the report you quote in #1835 don't mention canopy size and refer to the trees being in early maturity - a different category to "mature" according to BS5837, which uses;

 

"young, semi-mature, mature, over-mature, veteran."

 

https://arbtech.co.uk/understanding-the-bs5837-tree-survey/

 

and "A Companion to British Arboriculture";

 

Early-mature trees are between 1/3 and 2/3 of expected mature height. Mature trees are close to their full height and crown size

 

http://www.treeterms.co.uk/definitions/maturity-whole-tree-

 

 

This is what the Fitzalan Square trees looked like;

 

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-the-fitzalan-square-plane-trees

 

This is what a mature large crowned plane tree looks like;

 

https://www.fast-growing-trees.com/Bloodgood-London-Planetree.htm

 

Notice the difference?

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They will not mature like the ones they replacing , how many times do you have to be told this

 

What happens then - are they frozen in time or something?

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Has it been stated anywhere the actual type of tree (ie Latin name) to be planted in Fitzalan Square?

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Mr Gunton is/was a "tree manager".

Does he have any forestry or arboricultural qualifications?

 

His report did require changes to the design of the redevelopment if the trees in the square were to have been retained.

 

The planning officers recommended that the proposed redevelopment design took precedence and the the use of 12 different trees would balance the removal of the 4 specimens that were not part of the original construction.

 

why would he need to show any qualifications weve got plenty of people on here with no qualifications but are all experts on tree care and planning according to the post in this thread.

 

the issues is Mr Gunton has his views on what could be done but his opinion is looked at in the bigger scheme of the overall redevelopment of the site and it would probably add additional costs so his recommendations were overruled by the planners.

 

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I post to add facts to a discussion.

Mr Gunton is being put forward as a tree specialist of some kind.

His report is one of a council officer and is not being referenced in totality.

 

I am suggesting that it is possible that he is a career council officer that is holding a post that does not require any qualifications or practical experience of the title in the role.

you have no evidence of that

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What happens then - are they frozen in time or something?

 

Yes that's exactly what happens :loopy: They are going to plant some Giant Redwoods and when they reach ten feet tall , they will freeze them

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Quote:

 

Originally Posted by cgksheff

 

Mr Gunton is/was a "tree manager".

Does he have any forestry or arboricultural qualifications?

 

His report did require changes to the design of the redevelopment if the trees in the square were to have been retained.

 

The planning officers recommended that the proposed redevelopment design took precedence and the the use of 12 different trees would balance the removal of the 4 specimens that were not part of the original construction.

 

why would he need to show any qualifications weve got plenty of people on here with no qualifications but are all experts on tree care and planning according to the post in this thread.

 

the issues is Mr Gunton has his views on what could be done but his opinion is looked at in the bigger scheme of the overall redevelopment of the site and it would probably add additional costs so his recommendations were overruled by the planners.

 

---------- Post added 26-05-2018 at 13:06 ----------

 

Quote:

 

Originally Posted by cgksheff

 

I post to add facts to a discussion.

Mr Gunton is being put forward as a tree specialist of some kind.

His report is one of a council officer and is not being referenced in totality.

 

I am suggesting that it is possible that he is a career council officer that is holding a post that does not require any qualifications or practical experience of the title in the role.

 

you have no evidence of that

 

Where is the evidence that he IS qualified? Most reports have an 'about the author's section.

 

 

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Where is the evidence that he IS qualified? Most reports have an 'about the author's section.

 

 

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I'm still waiting to hear which parts of his report are incorrect, and that would cause any justification for questioning his qualifications at all..

 

Did he get the species wrong, the age, the height?

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I'm still waiting to hear which parts of his report are incorrect, and that would cause any justification for questioning his qualifications at all..

 

Did he get the species wrong, the age, the height?

 

I can't see anything factually wrong with his report - just your assertion that in Fitzalan Square we had "large canopied mature trees".

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What happens then - are they frozen in time or something?

 

They are a VERY DIFFERENT type of tree. Are you being disingenuous?

 

---------- Post added 27-05-2018 at 22:28 ----------

 

So by your logic no amount of redevelopment can be undertaken in the city which results in a tree being removed? Even if the trees are replaced in greater numbers (by inferior trees whatever that means).

 

Is that now where you’ve got to?

 

I've no idea how you've made such 'logical' leaps based on the statements I made.

Are you still persisting in the believe that all types of tree are identical? :roll:

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