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5 hours ago, frigate said:
Impeachment when Trump is almost out the door? In any environment just plain dumb. In this environment cataclysmic!

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The Dems don't have any other choice for stopping Trump from running again in 2024, since Pence is refusing to find invoke the 25th.

 

...Oh, I'm sorry, did you want Trump to run again in 2024?

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9 hours ago, janie48 said:

I'm no fan of Trump and have previously posted how shocked I was when someone so unsuitable was elected as President, but to imply there are similarities with him and two mass murderers responsible for the most appalling crimes in history is ridiculous. 

Tinfoilhat is right - our knowledge of what the Nazis ultimately did can obscure our knowledge of what they were like before they perpetrated genocide. Before that they seemed a lot more ordinary - many people thought they were just silly; the Communists thought they would be a temporary blip, but in the event nearly all the Communists were murdered or imprisoned by the Nazis. So we have to remember that there is a phase before the murderous phase and compare that earlier phase to the present day, otherwise we end up with the logical fallacy that because there's not a genocide happening now, it can't happen again.

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4 hours ago, L00b said:

The Dems don't have any other choice for stopping Trump from running again in 2024, since Pence is refusing to find invoke the 25th.

 

...Oh, I'm sorry, did you want Trump to run again in 2024?

You might stop an individual but the greater danger is the movement that Trump has created.

Donald Trump jnr. could step forward and Ted Cruz will still be in the frame.

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26 minutes ago, RJRB said:

You might stop an individual but the greater danger is the movement that Trump has created.

Donald Trump jnr. could step forward and Ted Cruz will still be in the frame.

I agree to a good extent, but the Dems are just being pragmatic here.

 

Trump did not create that movement, he's just the most useful idiot fronting it: remove him from the pool of 2024 presidentiables, and those who did create that movement need to reboot with a new face.

 

It's far from ideal, but at least it forces a hiatus in that movement's progression, and buys a bit more time for those engaged in mitigating it more durably and effectively.

 

 At any rate, it's better than the only alternative until now, of letting the problem run and run like it has for the past 4+ years.

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19 hours ago, janie48 said:

I'm no fan of Trump and have previously posted how shocked I was when someone so unsuitable was elected as President, but to imply there are similarities with him and two mass murderers responsible for the most appalling crimes in history is ridiculous. 

Not really, he has a knack for managing to whip up the crowds to such an extent that they become obsessed and radicalised to then be willing to commit heinous acts, and not even think they are doing anything wrong, in fact they are the good boys doing their country right as proud patriots in their warped eyes.

using lies, mistruths and nationalistic propaganda to appeal to the lowest common denominator, those who think they have nothing. Sowing the seeds that they are the victims and their country is under attack from the left, the communists, the immigrants, foriegners.

 

Certainly fits what the nazis were doing to sway their fellow countrymen.

 

Sowing extremism for his own ends

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On 08/01/2021 at 16:29, St Petre said:

Trump announces today that he won't be attending Joe Biden's inauguration, somehow don't think he'll be missed.

If I was Biden I’d do a HIGNFY and stick a big moldy orange pumpkin on the seat where Trump should be sat.

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11 hours ago, L00b said:

The Dems don't have any other choice for stopping Trump from running again in 2024, since Pence is refusing to find invoke the 25th.

 

...Oh, I'm sorry, did you want Trump to run again in 2024?

It's undemocratic for the Democrats to seek to prevent Trump from running again in 2024.  The Democrats should concentrate on Governing the US well and forget about Trump.

20 minutes ago, Mister Gee said:

If I was Biden I’d do a HIGNFY and stick a big moldy orange pumpkin on the seat where Trump should be sat.

Thank goodness Joseph Biden has more class than you.

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37 minutes ago, West 77 said:

It's undemocratic for the Democrats to seek to prevent Trump from running again in 2024.  The Democrats should concentrate on Governing the US well and forget about Trump.

 

I agree, in a way, hopefully this last year or so of trumps presidency has shown what a type of president and person he is and so if he should run again voters will again show theyre unhappy with him. Including republicans who now see him as a threat and wont put him up again

BUT

like you said that also means Biden has to do things a lot better for ALL americans and "make America great again"

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2 hours ago, West 77 said:

It's undemocratic for the Democrats to seek to prevent Trump from running again in 2024.  The Democrats should concentrate on Governing the US well and forget about Trump.

So, in West77's world, it is "undemocratic" for the democratically-elected representatives of the American people, to use constitutional measures for putting an end to Trump's unprecedented attempts at subverting American democracy...

 

:|

 

...do you want to try that one again, maybe?

Edited by L00b

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Trump is desperate - only another week to go and he will be facing more than enough lawsuits that could result with him being behind bars and his business empire in ruins before 2024.

 

Reckon he'll most likely get done done tax fraud - like certain Al Capone.

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3 hours ago, West 77 said:

It's undemocratic for the Democrats to seek to prevent Trump from running again in 2024.  The Democrats should concentrate on Governing the US well and forget about Trump.

 

It's not particularly about stopping Trump on 2024, though that's a laudible aim. He's at an age where his health can deteriorate quite quickly. Even before the last week, the line of prosecutors and plantiffs waiting for the 20th was long and last week likely added a few more. Bankruptcy also looms.

 

Trump tried to stage a coup and failed. That must have consequences or it will embolden the next person to go down this route to do it better. This is as much a warning to him as it is a punishment to Trump.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, L00b said:

So, in West77's world, it is "undemocratic" for the democratically-elected representatives of the American people, to use constitutional measures for putting an end to Trump's unprecedented attempts at subverting American democracy...

 

:|

 

...do you want to try that one again, maybe?

I acknowledge Donald Trump has  an unprecedented disrespect for American democracy which alone is likely to prevent him getting enough support to be a candidate again for the office of US President.  

 

13 hours ago, andyofborg said:

It's not particularly about stopping Trump on 2024, though that's a laudible aim. He's at an age where his health can deteriorate quite quickly. Even before the last week, the line of prosecutors and plantiffs waiting for the 20th was long and last week likely added a few more. Bankruptcy also looms.

 

Trump tried to stage a coup and failed. That must have consequences or it will embolden the next person to go down this route to do it better. This is as much a warning to him as it is a punishment to Trump.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In four years time Donald Trump will be the same age as Joseph Biden is now.  I agree after Donald Trump leaves office legal proceedings against him are likely to ensure he will severely be damage making it most unlikely he would receive the support needed to be a future candidate for US President.  It's unlikely the Republican Party would consider nominating him again and the only route would be to stand as an Independent meaning he would have no hope of winning.

 

Just for completeness Donald Trump never tried to stage a coup.  Impeachment proceedings against Donald Trump will be a distraction for the Joseph Biden administration at a the worse possible time because of the consequences of the pandemic. 

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