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8 minutes ago, L00b said:

I didn't say it was your strawman, did I?

If in any doubt, as your uh-ming suggests, maybe you'd like to inform yourself about the issue a bit more? Just a friendly suggestion, no sarc.

 

The Atlantic of 4 days ago is a good start.

Cheers, will give it a read.

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2 hours ago, apelike said:

Dunno if you have noticed that a great deal of the US public are not adhering to social distancing or the use of face coverings even though there is a bug going round. It is also possible to vote in person if it is done correctly and that is what other countries including New Zealand are doing.

So the answer is to force them to go out and vote in person, rather than making provision for a safer method?

 

And for those that cannot risk exposure because of underlying conditions?

 

Here's a link to what NZ are doing, part of which is to provide postal voting.

 

https://vote.nz/covid-19/covid-19/

 

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33 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

So the answer is to force them to go out and vote in person, rather than making provision for a safer method?

And who is doing or saying that? 

 

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And for those that cannot risk exposure because of underlying conditions?

There are plenty of ways of providing safe voting without it being solely done by post as I had already pointed out in the last sentence in my post. 

 

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Here's a link to what NZ are doing, part of which is to provide postal voting.

 

https://vote.nz/covid-19/covid-19/

 

Yes I know :huh: See my previous reply above this one. But just to add for all the New Zealand fans here their population is only 4.88 million and their land mass is much smaller so its easier and less costly to do.

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10 minutes ago, apelike said:

And who is doing or saying that? 

 

There are plenty of ways of providing safe voting without it being solely done by post as I had already pointed out in the last sentence in my post. 

 

Yes I know :huh: See my previous reply above this one. But just to add for all the New Zealand fans here their population is only 4.88 million and their land mass is much smaller so its easier and less costly to do.

Potential ways to make voting in person safe are meaningless unless the US authorities implement those measures. So far, the only in person voting thing I've seen is reducing the number of voting places because of a shortage of staff to operate them (they are typically retired older people who understandably don't want to mix with lots of people at the moment) which is the exact opposite of what you'd want.

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50 minutes ago, altus said:

Potential ways to make voting in person safe are meaningless unless the US authorities implement those measures.

I believe it's up to the individual state to determine the way voting is held in that state and at the moment only 4 states have mail in voting so it's up to them not the US authorities (assuming you mean Federal Law) to decide. I don't think many are in favour of the mail in system on its own.

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6 minutes ago, apelike said:

I believe it's up to the individual state to determine the way voting is held in that state and at the moment only 4 states have mail in voting so it's up to them not the US authorities (assuming you mean Federal Law) to decide. I don't think many are in favour of the mail in system on its own.

No, I meant the authorities responsible for the various election districts.

 

Providing mail in voting for everyone who wants it is not the same as only providing for mail in voting. Only allowing somebody to vote in person is forcing them to choose between risking their health and voting. Especially during a pandemic, that can hardly be described as democratic - particularly if the closing of polling sites has been targetted at the supporters of one party.

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Trump made a massive fool of himself, having the gall to call New Zealand's surge (9 new cases) 'terrible' on Monday. The US saw 4,200 new cases the same day.

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Close..it was 42,000 cases.

 

I have doubts about that number,  Florida in recent has been doing 30 per cent less testing.

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45 minutes ago, altus said:

No, I meant the authorities responsible for the various election districts.

So that would be state law and as such they can decide on how they proceed themselves.

 

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Providing mail in voting for everyone who wants it is not the same as only providing for mail in voting. Only allowing somebody to vote in person is forcing them to choose between risking their health and voting. Especially during a pandemic, that can hardly be described as democratic - particularly if the closing of polling sites has been targetted at the supporters of one party.

But no one is saying it should be in person only so I don't understand your argument.

 

Here is a link about Trump and the USPS and although you cant read the whole article without registering have a gander at the video entitled "The perils of mail in ballots."

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-post-offices-problem-isnt-trump-11597360885

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33 minutes ago, apelike said:

So that would be state law and as such they can decide on how they proceed themselves.

 

But no one is saying it should be in person only so I don't understand your argument.

 

Here is a link about Trump and the USPS and although you cant read the whole article without registering have a gander at the video entitled "The perils of mail in ballots."

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-post-offices-problem-isnt-trump-11597360885

Well he seems like a nice balanced person

He is an advocate for more restrictive voting laws.

[2][3] He has been described as playing an influential role in making alarmism about voter fraud mainstream in the Republican Party, despite no evidence of widespread voter fraud.[4][5]

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Efforts to exclude Democrats and "mainstream Republicans" from "voter fraud" commission

On February 22, 2017, Von Spakovsky sent an email arguing against the appointment of Democrats and "mainstream Republicans" to the Trump administration's Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity.[15] The email was forwarded to U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions by an aide.[15] The release of the email led civil rights leaders to call for Von Spakovsky to step down from the commission and for the commission to be disbanded.[16]

 

Try finding some independent reports into voter fraud in the US.

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51 minutes ago, butlers said:

Close..it was 42,000 cases.

 

I have doubts about that number,  Florida in recent has been doing 30 per cent less testing.

 

59 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Trump made a massive fool of himself, having the gall to call New Zealand's surge (9 new cases) 'terrible' on Monday. The US saw 4,200 new cases the same day.

I thought 4200 sounded very very low!

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# altus.

 

You seem to have missed out the bit in the video where he states that other places abroad and also in the USA have recently conducted personal voting successfully with social distancing in place, hand sanitiser being available and also disposable pens on hand despite coronavirus being around at the time and that was what I was mainly getting at.

 

I can't quote your last bit as your post was not set out right but... there are plenty of reports around confirming voter fraud has happened in the past and is not just a myth, it is also not confined to mail voting either.

 

Not sure how independent these two are but have a read.

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/no-voter-fraud-isnt-myth-10-cases-where-its-all-to/?utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=cpc&utm_id=chacka&utm_campaign=TWT+-+DSA&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwdbr6Lil6wIVOYBQBh2cygclEAMYASAAEgINwfD_BwE

 

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

 

 

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