Mr Trump - All discussion here

[L00b 441]

1 hour ago, JamesR123 said:

My post clearly said that I would happily ask foreign born people to leave if they commited a crime.  I made no such equivalence as the one you are accusing me of.  You made the equivalence and I called you out.

I'm very happy to let thread readers be the judge of that. Your own Post 3546:

On 15 July 2019 at 14:53, JamesR123 said:

(...)

 

Not at all.  Have any party you are aware of made it policy that people can't suggest that foreign born  people go back home?

 

I would do it if someone was committing serious crimes, or being a social nuisance.

Your own post, your own opinion, your equivalence of social nuisance with serious crimes in the specific context of foreign-born people (highlighted for convenience). Own your <removed>.

 

1 hour ago, JamesR123 said:

You revealed your own prejudice.  I am the son of an immigrant.

 

I am unsure as to the relevance of my joining date tbh. 

What does your parentage have to do with it? Let me guess: you're trying to claim the moral high ground with it?

 

I am an immigrant myself, it is a very well-known fact to older posters, whence the relevance of your joining date.

Edited July 16, 2019 by L00b
Masked swearing

[Top Cats Hat 10]

1 hour ago, JamesR123 said:

I am unsure as to the relevance of my joining date tbh. 

There have been quite a number of right-wing posters appearing and disappearing on this site recently. You can usually tell who they are by their syntax but your rather bizarre posting style makes me suspect that you are either genuinely new or were here before I joined in 2017.

[XXTickerXX 10]

5 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

He certainly wasn’t making a general point.

 

His comments then and now, were directed very specifically at four democratically elected congresswoman who were voted into office to make changes that would benefit their constituents. By advising them to leave the country if they don’t like it, Trump is effectively saying that only those who agree with him should have a voice, ie he now wishes to replace democracy with dictatorship.

 

By supporting him, can we take it that you also believe in dictatorship? You certainly seem to think that only the views of the minority who voted for Brexit should be considered.

Trump holds his fists up and idiots just run straight into it. On repeat.

 

It's election season. He is now getting the Democrats to rally around an extreme left American hating, Israel hating Somali Muslim who loves Al Qaeda. He is pitting Pelosi against "The Squad" and other congressmen will be begging her to not let them be associated with those utter nutters because they will lose their seats.

 

He is forcing them into a corner they cannot back out of and all they can do is screech raayyyyycissttt like they normally do. 

 

A new internal Democrat poll has shown how wildly unpopular these socialists are.  This will decimate the Democrat vote in swing states that Trump is after. 

https://www.axios.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-poll-democrats-2020-aeaa3771-f142-4059-b79e-1fed569dfdf9.html

Quote

 

The findings:

Ocasio-Cortez was recognized by 74% of voters in the poll; 22% had a favorable view.

 

Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota — another member of The Squad — was recognized by 53% of the voters; 9% (not a typo) had a favorable view. 

 

Socialism was viewed favorably by 18% of the voters and unfavorably by 69%.

 

Capitalism was 56% favorable; 32% unfavorable.

 

"Socialism is toxic to these voters," said the top Democrat.

 

Omar: "I took a terrorism class...every time the professor said 'al-Qaida' his shoulders went up."

 

 

He is making Omar the face of the Democrat party and it is beautiful to watch all the idiots fall for it.  If he can gets the media to report on Ilhan Omar marrying her own brother then heads will implode. He is forcing the top Dems like Pelosi who was trying to reign them in to be in their corner. He plays 4D chess whilst you all play tiddlywinks. He wants the one Democrat who has not stopped making incendiary anti-American and pro-Muslim Brotherhood statements since she entered public life and is polling at 9% to be the one they get behind. 

 

Democrats election strategy.......

 

 

 

[Top Cats Hat 10]

How things change in over half a century.

 

Just watching a BBC Four documentary on the space race. They showed some Vox Pops from New York City after Sputnik was launched with lots of people bitching about why the US government was allowing an enemy state (Russia) to put something into space first.

 

60 years later we have a US President who grovels to the Russian President and a Russian state which invests millions of dollars interfering with a US election, and nobody seems a bit bothered.

[spilldig 189]

7 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Nothing, other than less than 37% of the electorate and less than 25% of the population as a whole, voted for Brexit so calling it ‘the will of the people’ makes you look deluded and undemocratic.

Not difficult to understand. More people voted for Trump and brexit than did not.

[Magilla 510]

1 hour ago, XXTickerXX said:

Trump holds his fists up and idiots just run straight into it....

 

LOL, amazing the levels you guys have to go to try to convince yourselves you haven't sold your souls and any semblance of dignity

 

 

 

Edited July 16, 2019 by Magilla

[Magilla 510]

24 minutes ago, spilldig said:

Not difficult to understand. More people voted for Trump and brexit than did not.

In fact, more people voted for Hillary

Edited July 16, 2019 by Magilla

[Top Cats Hat 10]

8 minutes ago, Magilla said:

In fact, more people voted for Hillary

 

About 3 million more.

[Magilla 510]

1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said:

About 3 million more.

Indeed.... clearly was too difficult for poor ole spill

[JamesR123 0]

2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

There have been quite a number of right-wing posters appearing and disappearing on this site recently. You can usually tell who they are by their syntax but your rather bizarre posting style makes me suspect that you are either genuinely new or were here before I joined in 2017.

Bizarre??  Lol

 

I am absolutely not right wing.

2 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

Nope initially you did not use the context of them having committed a crime. That was one of the most striking things about your argument. Now you’re backtracking.

I said it was ok for someone to ask a foreign person to leave the country.  It is.  Freedom of speech.

 

I then explained the situations in which I would do it.

 

Not hard to understand.

2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

OK then. Let’s clear this up once and for all.

 

What crimes did the four democratic congresswomen commit?

None.  As above, I wouldn't have told the democratic congresswoman to leave the country.

 

Other people can though.

2 hours ago, L00b said:

I'm very happy to let thread readers be the judge of that. Your own Post 3546:

Your own post, your own opinion, your equivalence of social nuisance with serious crimes in the specific context of foreign-born people (highlighted for convenience). Own your <removed>.

 

What does your parentage have to do with it? Let me guess: you're trying to claim the moral high ground with it?

 

I am an immigrant myself, it is a very well-known fact to older posters, whence the relevance of your joining date.

Ahh so you are changing your accusation now?

 

I wasn't really suggesting serious crime and social nuisance are equivalent.  I was giving examples of things that could  cause me to ask a foreign born person to go back to their country.

 

My parentage was stated in response to absurd suggestions by yourself that I was anti immigrant.  I have spent 7 years of my life living in the land of my mother.  So I have been an immigrant too.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

4 minutes ago, JamesR123 said:

None.  As above, I wouldn't have told the democratic congresswoman to leave the country.

Pretty much your first response in this discussion of Trump’s racist comments was to say that you would have no objection to asking any foreign born person to leave the country if they had committed a crime. You then went on to list a few bizarre examples of ‘foreigners’ behaving badly rather than committing crimes.

 

Given that even Trump hadn’t suggested that any of the four congresswomen, why bring crime into it?

[JamesR123 0]

What do you mean by "pretty much"?  Either it was my first comment or it wasn't. 

 

As I explained above, but will do it again for you, I believe that people have the right to go back to your own country to foreign born people.  It comes under freedom of speech and is, by definition, not racist.

 

Telling someone to go home that is a native is likely driven by racism.  Either the belief that someone of a different skin colour can't be a national of the country, or the assumption that they are not.

 

I then listed reasons why I would do it.  This list is subjective, and other people's lists will of course differ.  Trumps list seems to be more expansive than mine.