Guest   #3409 Posted June 28, 2019 I always felt the 'hawks' of the White House are the ones who push for wars- no doubt John Bolton is one of them. He was instrumental in gunning for Iraq and under Bush they went to war.  Trump is on the dot here.  https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1142782018620678144/video/1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
roadmaster2323 Â Â 0 #3410 Posted June 28, 2019 He is a true patriot. Yes blatantly. But thought he would be a charismatic leader too.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
crookesjoe   10 #3411 Posted June 28, 2019 Trump is so evil.  What kind of monster would massively increase black employment, create a booming economy, increase employment levels through the roof, dismantle ISIS, not start any wars, bring North Korea to the table for talks (something no other president has managed) etc...  Yeah Orange man bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla   510 #3412 Posted June 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, crookesjoe said: Trump is so evil.  What kind of monster would massively increase black employment https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/politics/fact-check-trump-jobs-black-americans.html Weird how that graph of African-American employment is almost a straight line... from 2011  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/black-unemployment-trump-figures-rise-us-latest-jay-z-credit-economy-a8192576.html  7 minutes ago, crookesjoe said: create a booming economy https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/trumps-economic-policies-failed-to-deliver-promised-3percent-growth-in-2018.html  Still nowhere near Obama's quarterly GDP  7 minutes ago, crookesjoe said: increase employment levels through the roof More jobs were created in Obama’s last two years (5.1 million) than in Trump’s first two years (4.9 million): https://www.apnews.com/3e265c4138d04e22886e6e1818789734  Again, almost a straight line.. from 2011  7 minutes ago, crookesjoe said: dismantle ISIS Trump Says ISIS Is Defeated. Reality Says Otherwise: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/18/trump-isis-terrorists-defeated-foreign-policy-225816  7 minutes ago, crookesjoe said: not start any wars Working on that one as we speak https://www.economist.com/leaders/2019/06/29/as-america-and-iran-inch-closer-to-war-new-talks-are-needed  7 minutes ago, crookesjoe said: bring North Korea to the table for talks (something no other president has managed) etc... So far, Kim's played a blinder! https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/02/28/kim-jong-un-played-trump-like-a-fiddle/  7 minutes ago, crookesjoe said: Yeah Orange man bad. Orange below average bad man https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/  (well, except for Jimmy Carter)   Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
crookesjoe   10 #3413 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Magilla said: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/politics/fact-check-trump-jobs-black-americans.html Weird how that graph of African-American employment is almost a straight line... from 2011  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/black-unemployment-trump-figures-rise-us-latest-jay-z-credit-economy-a8192576.html  https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/trumps-economic-policies-failed-to-deliver-promised-3percent-growth-in-2018.html  Still nowhere near Obama's quarterly GDP  More jobs were created in Obama’s last two years (5.1 million) than in Trump’s first two years (4.9 million): https://www.apnews.com/3e265c4138d04e22886e6e1818789734  Again, almost a straight line.. from 2011  Trump Says ISIS Is Defeated. Reality Says Otherwise: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/18/trump-isis-terrorists-defeated-foreign-policy-225816  Working on that one as we speak https://www.economist.com/leaders/2019/06/29/as-america-and-iran-inch-closer-to-war-new-talks-are-needed  So far, Kim's played a blinder! https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/02/28/kim-jong-un-played-trump-like-a-fiddle/  Orange below average bad man https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/  (well, except for Jimmy Carter)   Firstly, I'd like to give you credit for actually using sources and not just shouting 'Trump is Bad' like a lunatic. It's refreshing to read a properly researched post like yours.  I haven't read through all your links yet, I will do that now though.  However, if your referenced data is true, then surely even a straight upwards line would just confirm that Trump is continuing a positive upwards trend, which is a good thing, right?  I will take issue with you saying 'watch this space' about a war with Iran. That's unfair and presumptuous. All of Trumps predecessors have been war hungry, his foreign policy may be abraisive, but so far it can't be denied that he's avoided major conflicts like no other POTUS in recent memory. Edited June 29, 2019 by crookesjoe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #3414 Posted June 29, 2019 7 hours ago, crookesjoe said: Firstly, I'd like to give you credit for actually using sources and not just shouting 'Trump is Bad' like a lunatic. It's refreshing to read a properly researched post like yours.  I haven't read through all your links yet, I will do that now though.  However, if your referenced data is true, then surely even a straight upwards line would just confirm that Trump is continuing a positive upwards trend, which is a good thing, right?  I will take issue with you saying 'watch this space' about a war with Iran. That's unfair and presumptuous. All of Trumps predecessors have been war hungry, his foreign policy may be abraisive, but so far it can't be denied that he's avoided major conflicts like no other POTUS in recent memory. Where do you stand on his racism and misogyny? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Borista336 Â Â 0 #3415 Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Halibut said: Where do you stand on his racism and misogyny? fake news now? why cant you understand hes doing so much for america? Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Delayed   461 #3416 Posted June 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, Borista336 said: fake news now? why cant you understand hes doing so much for america?  Because he doesn't want to Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla   510 #3417 Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, crookesjoe said: However, if your referenced data is true, then surely even a straight upwards line would just confirm that Trump is continuing a positive upwards trend, which is a good thing, right? It shows who's policies made the trend happen, so yeah.. you could say that at least Trump hasn't buggered up that good work.  When you think of it that way, it's hardly a resounding endorsement.  With regard to the economy....  Trump is predicted to add $5.01 trillion in national debt in his first term, and $9.1 trillion by the second. Obama added $8.59 trillion in total, but had the Bush wars and the greatest recession in living memory to pay for.  In a time of prosperity that should be going down... not up!  That booming economy is paid for in debt, and eventually, someone is going to have to pay for it....  Someone else, obviously: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-debt-crisis-fine-wont-be-here-report-2018-12?r=US&IR=T US debt sits at about $21 trillion, and in a few years the US could be paying more in interest on that debt than on the military or on Medicare.  Trump campaigned on a pledge to eliminate the national debt  Quote I will take issue with you saying 'watch this space' about a war with Iran. That's unfair and presumptuous. It's entirely justified, the current tensions with Iran are *entirely* of Trumps own making, against the advice of his allies & intelligence services: https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2018-10/news/trump-challenges-europeans-over-iran-deal  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/obama-others-warned-trump-pulling-out-iran-nuke-deal-could-n1020461  Iran was left on a path that was specifically designed to avoid war, Trump has pushed them off that path.  Quote All of Trumps predecessors have been war hungry, his foreign policy may be abraisive, but so far it can't be denied that he's avoided major conflicts like no other POTUS in recent memory. You can't avoid something that you're already in the middle of, as was the case for his predecessor....  Regardless, Trump is dropping plenty of bombs: https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels/ Six months into Trump’s presidency, we now have enough data to assess his own approach. The results are clear: Judging from Trump’s embrace of the use of air power — the signature tactic of U.S. military intervention — he is the most hawkish president in modern history. Under Trump, the United States has dropped about 20,650 bombs through July 31, or 80 percent the number dropped under Obama for the entirety of 2016. At this rate, Trump will exceed Obama’s last-year total by Labor Day.  Trump dropped 44,096 bombs in 2017, 121 bombs per day. Obama dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016, 71 bombs per day.  Over two terms, Obama averaged 34 per day, and Bush 24 per day.  Trump would have to stop bombing now to catch up!  Edited June 29, 2019 by Magilla Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ricgem2002   11 #3418 Posted June 30, 2019 another triumph for trump Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla   510 #3419 Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, ricgem2002 said: another triumph for trump Indeed!  If you had some nukes and that meant the leader of the most powerful nation on earth keeps rocking up and legitimising your regime by telling you how brilliant you are on TV for all your citizens to watch...  ... I mean... you'd defintely be keeping hold of 'em... right? Edited June 30, 2019 by Magilla Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat   10 #3420 Posted June 30, 2019 Kim Jong Un is making a complete clown of Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...