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1 hour ago, Magilla said:

They know there is no "emergency" as Trump has claimed.

Just had an interesting conversation with a colleague who is a lawyer in New York. She says that if it can be proved that Trump declared a National Emergency for political reasons rather than reasons of national security, he could find himself facing impeachment quicker than for colluding with Russia to win the election in 2016.

 

She says that his tweets over the last two weeks could end up hanging him as they make it absolutely clear that there are no national security issues here but there is a political battle with the democratic majority in Congress.

 

Apparently even his son in law Jared Kushner is telling him that if he calls a national emergency he is finished! 😂😀 

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4 hours ago, Magilla said:

So, offending rates far far lower than US born! Awkward!

Well beside the point that every single illegal immigrant is a criminal...Awkward!! 😉

 

So if 23% of federal inmates are illegals...

12 million illegal immigrants (low number probably around 24 -36 Million according to yale but we will use 12) would be 3.67% of the US population of 326,766,748.

So if 0.67% of the population is in jail 510,669 of those are illegal aliens.

Lets subtract the illegals from the US population and we have 314,766,748 as the population with 1,709,631 inmates as opposed to 12 Million illegals with 510, 669 inmates.

So that is 4.25% of the illegal alien population in jail as opposed to 0.54% of the non illegal population.

So illegal aliens are 7.87 times more likely to commit crime when compared to US citizens.

 

So illegals are 8 times more likely to commit crime than a normal US citizen . Again discounting the fact that 100% of illegal immigrants are criminals for illegally crossing the border. All not paying taxes and a massive burden on the normal taxpayer. 

 

5 hours ago, Magilla said:

As the US Border Patrol makes clear, immigration is a symptom of a problem that the wall does not address.

And why is that burden for the US population to bear to the tune of $116 Billion every year?  No country can carry on like that indefinitely without stemming the tide.

https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

 

5 hours ago, Magilla said:

Walking away and deserting your allies isn't ending them.

They have not walked away from anyone.  it's a phased withdrawal. Liberals love wars now though because Orange man bad and we must oppose everything he does.

 

According to Border Patrol statistics, the Office of Field Operations had seized close to 48,000 pounds of cocaine, 67,000 pounds of methamphetamine, and 5,000 pounds of heroin before the end of fiscal year 2018 alone.  

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics

 

Can you believe most Americans disagree with all you snowflakes....

 

A vast majority of American voters believe that the United States is facing a “crisis” or a “problem” on the southern border, according to a new poll by Politico and Morning Consult.

While less than half of those surveyed (42 percent) agree with President Donald Trump’s assertion that the border is in “crisis,” another 37 percent concede that there is a “problem” — meaning 79 percent of voters believe the situation at the border is a serious issue. 90% of crossing are done where there is no barrier.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/09/politico-poll-border-crisis-problem-majority-americans-agree/

 

The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities....

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders. 

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their population.

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities

 

 

I wonder when the Dems will surrender and kiss his feet. 😂 Or Liberals could lead by example and ask their wife's boyfriend to take down the fences around their gardens. 

 

Obama In 2014: There’s A Crisis At The US / Mexico Border

 

 

Commies: WAAAAAAAH I HATE OBAMA NOW. 🤣

 

 

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14 minutes ago, XXTickerXX said:

Well beside the point that every single illegal immigrant is a criminal...Awkward!! 😉

 

 

 

 

You beat me to it, I was going to point out that awkward is not knowing the difference between  US born natives and people who aren't supposed to be here.

 

There is a saying that there are two kinds of Americans.  Those who live in border states and and those who don't.

 

Some soothing music. Sad, but soothing.

 

 

 

Edited January 13, 2019 by Sierra

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8 hours ago, XXTickerXX said:

Well beside the point that every single illegal immigrant is a criminal...Awkward!! 😉

Not really, since you were higlighting sexual assault stats

 

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So illegals are 8 times more likely to commit crime than a normal US citizen.

Not sexual assualt though:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.2136a8bc21b0

 

In actual fact, as per my original claim, immigrants commit less violent crime (murder, sexual assault and larceny) than native US born.

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-say-illegal-immigration-does-not-increase-violent-crime

Art Acevedo, the police chief in Houston, which has one of largest undocumented populations in the nation. "There's no wave of crime being committed by the immigrant community," Acevedo said. "As a matter of fact, a lot of the violent crime that we're dealing with is being committed by people that are born and raised right here in the United States."

 

Not quite the picture you (and Trump) has tried to paint.. is it

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According to Border Patrol statistics, the Office of Field Operations had seized close to 48,000 pounds of cocaine, 67,000 pounds of methamphetamine, and 5,000 pounds of heroin before the end of fiscal year 2018 alone.  

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics

All of which was confiscated at ports of entry, by staff that are seriously underfunded. Funding that they need is being diverted to a pointless wall!

 

A wall will miss the vast majority of smuggling:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-increasing-border-security-overlooks-smuggling-2018-4?r=US&IR=T

 

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Can you believe most Americans disagree with all you snowflakes....

Except, of course, they don't!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-poll-americans-dont-support-building-the-wall/

 

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A vast majority of American voters believe that the United States is facing a “crisis” or a “problem” on the southern border, according to a new poll by Politico and Morning Consult.

While less than half of those surveyed (42 percent) agree with President Donald Trump’s assertion that the border is in “crisis,” another 37 percent concede that there is a “problem” — meaning 79 percent of voters believe the situation at the border is a serious issue. 90% of crossing are done where there is no barrier.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/09/politico-poll-border-crisis-problem-majority-americans-agree/

LOL, add two disperate numbers together "hey presto"!

 

A "problem" is not a "serious issue", adding those numbers together is purely to fool gullible idiots... well done you

 

Hence, in reality, there is no such thing:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/08/poll-voters-blame-trump-gop-for-shutdown-1088207

 

Most people don't believe there is a crisis (or a "serious" problem)

 

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I wonder when the Dems will surrender and kiss his feet.

Why should they, even your own links clearly show that Trump is taking the bulk of the blame

 

"A shutdown falls on the President's lack of leadership. He can't even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak."

~Donald Trump, 2013

Edited January 13, 2019 by Magilla

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8 hours ago, Sierra said:

You beat me to it, I was going to point out that awkward is not knowing the difference between  US born natives and people who aren't supposed to be here.

I'm pretty sure I pointed out a fairly big difference, did you miss it?

 

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2 hours ago, Magilla said:

L, add two disperate numbers together "hey presto"!

 

A "problem" is not a "serious issue", adding those numbers together is purely to fool gullible idiots... well done you

 

Hence, in reality, there is no such thing:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/08/poll-voters-blame-trump-gop-for-shutdown-1088207

 

Most people don't believe there is a crisis (or a "serious" problem)

The mental gymnastics Liberals go to to think people don't want the wall to be built is astounding. 

 

Here is a map of the US that voted for Trump.

 

 

 

Now I wonder why all the border districts are blue and what correlation that could possibly have with illegals and Democrat voters 🤔

 

 

Now correct me if i am wrong (Hint: i'm not) but I seem to remember President Trump campaigning on something important. Let me think for a minute what that is...

 

Oh it's coming back to me now. It was something, something about a wall. Oh yes he said "I WILL BUILD A GREAT WALL ON OUR SOUTHERN BORDER" for his signature campaign promise.  I am absolutely positive that all republican voters now just think "I didn't vote for that, what is he doing trying to build a wall!!" ...Not really. He knows his base is not just big but it is something that Democrats cannot comprehend just how much support he has.  Just see the map above.

 

Here is a list of all the countries that disagree with you that physical barriers don't work for you to peruse.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier

 

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1 hour ago, XXTickerXX said:

Here is a map of the US that voted for Trump.

Why don't you show us the map of the swing from the midterms?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html

 

 

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Now correct me if i am wrong (Hint: i'm not) but I seem to remember President Trump campaigning on something important. Let me think for a minute what that is...

 

Oh it's coming back to me now. It was something, something about a wall. Oh yes he said "I WILL BUILD A GREAT WALL ON OUR SOUTHERN BORDER" for his signature campaign promise.  I am absolutely positive that all republican voters now just think "I didn't vote for that, what is he doing trying to build a wall!!" ...Not really.

Indeed, what bunch of fools voting for something that all evidence clearly shows will be worthless

 

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He knows his base is not just big but it is something that Democrats cannot comprehend just how much support he has.

LOL, *most* people didn't even vote for Trump!

 

The majority of americans don't support construction of a wall.

 

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Just see the map above.

Looking a bit bluer these days

 

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Here is a list of all the countries that disagree with you that physical barriers don't work for you to peruse.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier

Must not have been one of the designs Trump is proposing:

https://www.fastcompany.com/90290660/definitive-proof-that-trumps-steel-wall-doesnt-work

 

I've no doubt a wall does work to some extent for legitimate problems, the US southern border isn't one, it's entirely fabricated by Trump to fool the gullible

 

As the US Border Force analysis made clear, the wall fails to address the root problem. It's a waste of money.

Edited January 13, 2019 by Magilla

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On 13/01/2019 at 02:17, Magilla said:

I'm pretty sure I pointed out a fairly big difference, did you miss it?

 

Big difference? They aren't supposed to be here!  Even one crime committed by an illegal alien would be too many.

 

I debated even returning to comment on this thread because you probably will insist I'm wrong.

 

The numbers don't tell the whole story because there is no way to even be sure how many illegal aliens there are in the US at any one time. (It's likely more horrifying than anyone imagines) Many are deported and return again and again. Taking into account identity theft, fake driver's licenses, phony social security cards, etc.  good luck catching them when you don't even know who they are. The murderer of officer Ronil Singh was aided by no less than seven people trying to get him back to Mexico.  And those are just the ones they caught.

 

I don't expect non Americans to understand just how complex this is. California belonged to Mexico until 1846, not becoming a state until 1850. This issue will never be resolved.

On 13/01/2019 at 06:01, Magilla said:

As the US Border Force analysis made clear, the wall fails to address the root problem. It's a waste of money.

The Border Force? It's the Border Patrol, or commonly La Migra. When I was a child, we actually used to play a game called La Migra, or just Migra.  What is the root problem? Governments exist to waste money. 

Edited January 16, 2019 by Sierra

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2 hours ago, Sierra said:

Big difference? They aren't supposed to be here!  Even one crime committed by an illegal alien would be too many.

Perhaps, though possibly best not to highlight crimes where they're way way below the level committed by native born

 

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I debated even returning to comment on this thread because you probably will insist I'm wrong.

Well, you did say someone who proved every claim they ever made looked like a liar ... so you have to wonder

 

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The numbers don't tell the whole story because there is no way to even be sure how many illegal aliens there are in the US at any one time. (It's likely more horrifying than anyone imagines) Many are deported and return again and again. Taking into account identity theft, fake driver's licenses, phony social security cards, etc.  good luck catching them when you don't even know who they are. The murderer of officer Ronil Singh was aided by no less than seven people trying to get him back to Mexico.  And those are just the ones they caught.

Cool, so if the immigrant numbers are actually way higher, their crime rate is actually way lower than reported.

 

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I don't expect non Americans to understand just how complex this is. California belonged to Mexico until 1846, not becoming a state until 1850. This issue will never be resolved.

The Border Force? It's the Border Patrol, or commonly La Migra. When I was a child, we actually used to play a game called La Migra, or just Migra.  What is the root problem? Governments exist to waste money. 

Quite right, my bad. Doesn't actually change the point that they don't want a wall, and think it will be virtually useless.

 

In the meantime, Trump continues to take the bulk of the blame for the shutdown, increasing daily:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-week-4-of-the-shutdown-americans-still-think-trump-is-to-blame/

 

Edited January 17, 2019 by Magilla

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4 hours ago, Magilla said:

Perhaps, though possibly best not to highlight crimes where they're way way below the level committed by native born

 

Well, you did say someone who proved every claim they ever made looked like a liar ... so you have to wonder

 

Cool, so if the immigrant numbers are actually way higher, their crime rate is actually way lower than reported.

 

Quite right, my bad. Doesn't actually change the point that they don't want a wall, and think it will be virtually useless.

 

In the meantime, Trump continues to take the bulk of the blame for the shutdown, increasing daily:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-week-4-of-the-shutdown-americans-still-think-trump-is-to-blame/

 

They aren't supposed to be here!!!!!! ANY crime they commit is too much because they aren't supposed to be here! Who decides how much crime is tolerable? Certainly not some dude in another country.

 

Many crime victims are other illegals, who understandably are reluctant to come forward and it never gets reported. One particularly sickening case only came to light because the  barely 12 year old victim collapsed and delivered her baby in the shower of a house where she was living with other illegals in a rural part of central California, her abuser(s) having fled back to Mexico. The poor girl couldn't speak english or spanish, just Mixtec. Where in the world were her parents and how did she get so far from home? If she were my child, I'd be sick with worry.

 

Think about it. You are living in a place where there are NO official records of who you are. You can be whoever you want to be. Tomorrow you can be someone else. You can do what you want to do until you get caught. I'm amazed there isn't more crime. 

 

With all due respect, you don't live here and don't experience the day to day disruptions, sad news stories, having to pay higher rates for uninsured motorist coverage, jumpy cops, crazies on the freeway who have nothing to lose, having to sit through surprise drunk driving checkpoints,  and just all around inconvenience, expense and life complications. 

 

When I used to worry about my then 13 year old son wearing a red shirt to school because he might be mistaken for a Norteño, that's a problem. When I had to go to a movie theater to pick up my then young teenage daughter (who can speak spanish) and her gringa friends because a group of grown mexican men were harassing them, that was a problem.

 

Most people I know (including family in Texas, Arizona and New Mexico)  want the wall built. 

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5 hours ago, Sierra said:

They aren't supposed to be here!!!!!! ANY crime they commit is too much because they aren't supposed to be here! Who decides how much crime is tolerable?

I haven't qualified anything as "tolerable", I've merely pointed out the evidence, which clearly shows their rates of serious offending are far lower than native born.

 

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Certainly not some dude in another country.

This is a forum based in another country

 

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Many crime victims are other illegals, who understandably are reluctant to come forward and it never gets reported. One particularly sickening case only came to light because the  barely 12 year old victim collapsed and delivered her baby in the shower of a house where she was living with other illegals in a rural part of central California, her abuser(s) having fled back to Mexico. The poor girl couldn't speak english or spanish, just Mixtec. Where in the world were her parents and how did she get so far from home? If she were my child, I'd be sick with worry.

 

Think about it. You are living in a place where there are NO official records of who you are. You can be whoever you want to be. Tomorrow you can be someone else. You can do what you want to do until you get caught. I'm amazed there isn't more crime. 

 

With all due respect, you don't live here and don't experience the day to day disruptions, sad news stories, having to pay higher rates for uninsured motorist coverage, jumpy cops, crazies on the freeway who have nothing to lose, having to sit through surprise drunk driving checkpoints,  and just all around inconvenience, expense and life complications. 

 

When I used to worry about my then 13 year old son wearing a red shirt to school because he might be mistaken for a Norteño, that's a problem. When I had to go to a movie theater to pick up my then young teenage daughter (who can speak spanish) and her gringa friends because a group of grown mexican men were harassing them, that was a problem.

Probably a good idea to have an effective, evidence based approach rather than a wall that pretty much everyone who understands the issues and are tasked with patrolling the border says will be largely ineffective.

 

Rep. Will Hurd, R-Texas, the member of Congress with the largest stretch of border in his district:

"I think building a concrete structure sea to shining sea is the most expensive and least effective way to do border security"

 

So... you're so worried, you'd rather something that doesn't solve any of the problems you're concerned about is built than that money going toward measures that stand some chance of being effective!

 

 

Slow clap!

 

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Most people I know (including family in Texas, Arizona and New Mexico)  want the wall built. 

LOL, most people you know  want the most expensive and least effective solution..... good for them!

 

 

 

 

Edited January 17, 2019 by Magilla
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[Magilla 510]

Giuliani strikes again

 

'I never said there was no collusion':

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/425774-giuliani-i-never-said-there-was-no-collusion-between-the-campaign