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4 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

You're comparing 1938  - 1945 Hitler to trump. I'm comparing 1935 Hitler to trump.  You look how they both manipulate their followers and have a guess on what he'd do if - and there is plenty of anecdotal evidence some of his followers would have done it - they'd have lynched Pelosi? 

 

EDIT: he's still not dialing back the rhetoric, and we might not have heard the last of it.

 

BBC News - Capitol riots: FBI warnings amid fears of more pro-Trump violence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55625707

Whats so ironic,  is in his presidency he has spoken about radicalisation- especially when it came to terrorism and those with brown skin.

 

Just look at the situation that has hit home! He's rhetoric and statements literally drove those followers to the Capitol building. 

 

It's been likened to home grown terrorism. Could have been alot worse after police found pipe bombs.

 

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5 hours ago, frigate said:
Impeachment when Trump is almost out the door? In any environment just plain dumb. In this environment cataclysmic!

 (...)

 

The Dems don't have any other choice for stopping Trump from running again in 2024, since Pence is refusing to find invoke the 25th.

 

...Oh, I'm sorry, did you want Trump to run again in 2024?

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9 hours ago, janie48 said:

I'm no fan of Trump and have previously posted how shocked I was when someone so unsuitable was elected as President, but to imply there are similarities with him and two mass murderers responsible for the most appalling crimes in history is ridiculous. 

Tinfoilhat is right - our knowledge of what the Nazis ultimately did can obscure our knowledge of what they were like before they perpetrated genocide. Before that they seemed a lot more ordinary - many people thought they were just silly; the Communists thought they would be a temporary blip, but in the event nearly all the Communists were murdered or imprisoned by the Nazis. So we have to remember that there is a phase before the murderous phase and compare that earlier phase to the present day, otherwise we end up with the logical fallacy that because there's not a genocide happening now, it can't happen again.

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4 hours ago, L00b said:

The Dems don't have any other choice for stopping Trump from running again in 2024, since Pence is refusing to find invoke the 25th.

 

...Oh, I'm sorry, did you want Trump to run again in 2024?

You might stop an individual but the greater danger is the movement that Trump has created.

Donald Trump jnr. could step forward and Ted Cruz will still be in the frame.

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26 minutes ago, RJRB said:

You might stop an individual but the greater danger is the movement that Trump has created.

Donald Trump jnr. could step forward and Ted Cruz will still be in the frame.

I agree to a good extent, but the Dems are just being pragmatic here.

 

Trump did not create that movement, he's just the most useful idiot fronting it: remove him from the pool of 2024 presidentiables, and those who did create that movement need to reboot with a new face.

 

It's far from ideal, but at least it forces a hiatus in that movement's progression, and buys a bit more time for those engaged in mitigating it more durably and effectively.

 

 At any rate, it's better than the only alternative until now, of letting the problem run and run like it has for the past 4+ years.

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19 hours ago, janie48 said:

I'm no fan of Trump and have previously posted how shocked I was when someone so unsuitable was elected as President, but to imply there are similarities with him and two mass murderers responsible for the most appalling crimes in history is ridiculous. 

Not really, he has a knack for managing to whip up the crowds to such an extent that they become obsessed and radicalised to then be willing to commit heinous acts, and not even think they are doing anything wrong, in fact they are the good boys doing their country right as proud patriots in their warped eyes.

using lies, mistruths and nationalistic propaganda to appeal to the lowest common denominator, those who think they have nothing. Sowing the seeds that they are the victims and their country is under attack from the left, the communists, the immigrants, foriegners.

 

Certainly fits what the nazis were doing to sway their fellow countrymen.

 

Sowing extremism for his own ends

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On 08/01/2021 at 16:29, St Petre said:

Trump announces today that he won't be attending Joe Biden's inauguration, somehow don't think he'll be missed.

If I was Biden I’d do a HIGNFY and stick a big moldy orange pumpkin on the seat where Trump should be sat.

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37 minutes ago, West 77 said:

It's undemocratic for the Democrats to seek to prevent Trump from running again in 2024.  The Democrats should concentrate on Governing the US well and forget about Trump.

 

I agree, in a way, hopefully this last year or so of trumps presidency has shown what a type of president and person he is and so if he should run again voters will again show theyre unhappy with him. Including republicans who now see him as a threat and wont put him up again

BUT

like you said that also means Biden has to do things a lot better for ALL americans and "make America great again"

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2 hours ago, West 77 said:

It's undemocratic for the Democrats to seek to prevent Trump from running again in 2024.  The Democrats should concentrate on Governing the US well and forget about Trump.

So, in West77's world, it is "undemocratic" for the democratically-elected representatives of the American people, to use constitutional measures for putting an end to Trump's unprecedented attempts at subverting American democracy...

 

:|

 

...do you want to try that one again, maybe?

Edited by L00b

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Trump is desperate - only another week to go and he will be facing more than enough lawsuits that could result with him being behind bars and his business empire in ruins before 2024.

 

Reckon he'll most likely get done done tax fraud - like certain Al Capone.

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3 hours ago, West 77 said:

It's undemocratic for the Democrats to seek to prevent Trump from running again in 2024.  The Democrats should concentrate on Governing the US well and forget about Trump.

 

It's not particularly about stopping Trump on 2024, though that's a laudible aim. He's at an age where his health can deteriorate quite quickly. Even before the last week, the line of prosecutors and plantiffs waiting for the 20th was long and last week likely added a few more. Bankruptcy also looms.

 

Trump tried to stage a coup and failed. That must have consequences or it will embolden the next person to go down this route to do it better. This is as much a warning to him as it is a punishment to Trump.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, L00b said:

So, in West77's world, it is "undemocratic" for the democratically-elected representatives of the American people, to use constitutional measures for putting an end to Trump's unprecedented attempts at subverting American democracy...

 

:|

 

...do you want to try that one again, maybe?

Serious question: Is Trump more likely to cause further rioting by saying that he is not going to Biden's inauguration or is Pelosi more likely to cause further rioting by trying to impeach Trump?

4 minutes ago, frigate said:

 

 

4 minutes ago, frigate said:

 

Pelos symbolises the problems with the Democrats that resulted in Trump’s election in 2016. At no time since 2016 have the Democrats with Pelosi at the forefront of their arrogance ever addressed the issue of how someone like Trump could win an election. After 8 years of Obama did not someone question what they were doing wrong. If the Democrats were able to address at a level of commonality the concerns of more Americans Trump would not have won. But at no time in 4 years was there any introspection or evaluation. No one asked what did we do wrong. Instead led by Pelosi they embarked on a furious campaign against the President of the United States. His election was never accepted. And now they complain about a lack of a smooth transition. And were they a more reasonable lot that would be a fully justifiable complaint.
So after 4 years of constant attack Pelosi and her comrades should hardly be surprised that there is division in the country. Trump is at fault. So is Pelosi. And what does she do to heal division. She says to the almost 75 million people who voted for Trump that we are now going to pursue him much as one did to your enemies in the 17th century. Which guarantees further division. Bitterness does not make a politician and I can only hope that Joe Biden separates himself from Pelosi and says to his party, now is a time of forgiveness and reconciliation and not revenge.

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