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[Sierra 22]

2 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

I watched the Michael Moore thing- Sicko - and it highlighted the difficulty of a survivor of 9/11 struggled to get asthma medication (the old “pre existing condition” hustle amongst thing”). That struck a chord as I’m asthmatic. I know Moore is a bit one-eyed but there must have been some truth to it. Have a look if you haven’t watched it - you’ll know how true it is better than me.

 

In the meantime, have a look at this. Less one-eyed but I found it quite concerning and I don’t want this country going down that road. With brexit we are at risk of it. Trump is a sideshow - any US president will demand the same I think.

 

The human cost of insulin in America http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47491964

I've seen it, but it was a while ago. I'd say it's not quite so black and white and some things were somewhat out of context.  There is a lot of good in American health care (latest technology, prompt care, easy access to specialists)  but all that cost money. 😭

 

The insulin thing is just awful and I could go on. And on. And on. God help you if you fall between the cracks.

 

What ends up happening is people don't go to the doctor/forgo health screenings etc. even if they have insurance and/or money because they just don't want to pay. I've done this myself (the husband gets mad at me) and I need to stop. But old habits die hard and my parents rarely took us kids to the doctor unless one of us was bleeding or had a bone sticking through our skin.  

 

If I were a Brit, I'd be worried too. I've been an open admirer of the NHS ever since I joined this forum. I sincerely wish we had something comparable. I have a nephew and his wife who currently live in London.  They love the NHS and want to permanently relocate to London. Partly because they love the city and easy access to the rest of Europe and partly because as Americans, they are accustomed to working their behinds off for everything they have. Low cost/free health care is just...they still can't quite believe it. 

 

Your NHS is worth fighting for. Hopefully your politicians won't sell you out the way ours have. 

 

[Michael_W 11]

1 hour ago, Halibut said:

Who are the far left when they're at home? When did standing against racism and fascism become far left?

When the left decided that anyone with an opinion to the political right, was a far right, white privileged, racist, homophobic, islamophobic, misogynist etc ... they likewise became the far left to those on the right. The political and social division in this country today is not just a construct of the political right, there is also an ever-growing, angry, delusional mob, of winey, self righteous, hatemongering leftists who see themselves(very much like the political elite), as being better than all others, most people generally regarded these days as being 'on the right' just simply can't abide that nonsense, and therefore you get people voting Farage, UKIP, Brexit Party when the ballot calls …. the same happened in the US when Trump was elected, wakey wakey !

[Sierra 22]

2 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

So your healthcare system is a piece of crap but you still made time to support Lockdoctor’s insane predictions about a wonderful future of cut price American drugs when the evidence is that even basic drugs (Tylenol equivalent here can be as little as 19 pence for 12 tablets) cost an arm and a leg in the US.

 

You guys get fleeced every step of the way. We don’t want the same thing.

 

The NHS is not for sale.

 

 

Well it's not entirely a piece of crap. But there's definitely room for improvement! Yes, I completely understand not wanting to get fleeced, it isn't much fun. ☹️

 

I'll say it again, the NHS isn't perfect (what is) but it's worth fighting for. 

 

* More real life experience*

 

Last November, I tripped and fell on my way into a local hospital for a doctor visit. I landed hard on my right knee.  Within 20 seconds I was surrounded by half a dozen medical personnel asking if I was ok and offering help. I waved them all away and limped inside, embarrassed to be the focus of all this attention. 

 

The original doctor I'd come to see said he'd wait until the emergency folks were done with me.  An orthopedist saw me immediately. Like there was zero waiting. He examined my knee and ordered x rays. When those were inconclusive, he ordered a CAT scan. A radiologist looked at those as soon as the scan was done. 

 

Don't worry, I was ok. But they did find some age related changes in my knee that I'd never have known about if I hadn't fallen in the first place. So, black cloud silver lining I guess.

 

I was done and upstairs in less than an hour.  I picked a good time too, because we'd satisfied the deductible on our insurance (being near the end of the year) and we didn't pay anything. 

 

Tylenol does not cost an arm and a leg in the US.  I just bought some on Amazon Pantry for like $10-$12. They sell this stuff at the Dollar Store. 

 

[Halibut 12]

6 hours ago, XXTickerXX said:

Just look in a mirror. I really don't think you could get any more extreme far left than yourself. You hold so much hate for those that do not agree with you that it is sad to see.

 

 

I challenge you to name just one extremist view that I hold. You can't do it.

6 hours ago, Michael_W said:

When the left decided that anyone with an opinion to the political right, was a far right, white privileged, racist, homophobic, islamophobic, misogynist etc ... they likewise became the far left to those on the right. The political and social division in this country today is not just a construct of the political right, there is also an ever-growing, angry, delusional mob, of winey, self righteous, hatemongering leftists who see themselves(very much like the political elite), as being better than all others, most people generally regarded these days as being 'on the right' just simply can't abide that nonsense, and therefore you get people voting Farage, UKIP, Brexit Party when the ballot calls …. the same happened in the US when Trump was elected, wakey wakey !

Are you claiming that Trump isn't any of those things? Surely you're not that far gone?

6 hours ago, Sierra said:

 

 

  I picked a good time too, because we'd satisfied the deductible on our insurance (being near the end of the year) and we didn't pay anything.

 

How much per year does your insurance cost?

[I1L2T3 10]

There is the thing Halibut. 

 

The most vociferous supporters of Farage are the people who are most likely to have issues in a US-style insurance-based system:

 

1. The elderly who increasingly rely on medical care as they age. How are they going to get insured? It of course won’t have escaped the notice of potential insurers that the elderly in the U.K. are sitting on a huge stack of property equity. When they say they are coming for the NHS, really they are coming for your wealth as well and they will help you find ways to unlock the equity.

 

2. The low waged and the unemployed. Nothing needs to be said about the experiences of 40m+ Americans who have to make use of what the fringes of the system provides. Never forget that Farage’s best buddy is trying to destroy Obamacare

 

Don't trust Farage and his American chums

 

The NHS is not for sale

[G-tech 11]

9 hours ago, Halibut said:

Who are the far left when they're at home? When did standing against racism and fascism become far left?

There's a political spectrum, on both sides (right and left) the scale is generally referred to as leaning, moderate, far and extreme. I'd say I'm left leaning, to moderate left.

The mob intimidation, hateful & aggressive screaming, verbal and physical assaults aren't typical behaviour of the moderate. 

[altus 540]

12 hours ago, Sierra said:

I have no idea, probably profit.

 

It seems like we pay more so you don't have to.

Pharmaceutical companies spend about twice as much on advertising as they do on research. They are banned from advertising prescription drugs to the UK public but, my understanding is, they are allowed to in the US.

 

Part of the price difference is you are paying for all those adverts. If drugs cost the same in both places, we'd be subsidising the adverts in your country.

Edited June 5, 2019 by altus

[alchresearch 214]

15 hours ago, Halibut said:

You'd rather be lumped in with racist, misogynist, scumbags than with people protesting against them?

Interesting that you single out the woman for particular scorn.

Can you show any evidence that the man who was attached is a " racist, misogynist, scumbag"?

 

I singled out that woman because she's the one closest to the man, shouting NAZI SCUM in his face.

[lil-minx92 10]

15 hours ago, Halibut said:

You'd rather be lumped in with racist, misogynist, scumbags than with people protesting against them?

Interesting that you single out the woman for particular scorn.

Have you watched the video?? She kind of stands out.

I beginning to think you are trying to make up for something from your past the way you always blindly defend us women..

[Yeah but 0]

17 hours ago, lil-minx92 said:

What an aggressive and obnoxious trollop she is! Did I also see 2 Jeremy Corbyns?

She is being absolutely trashed on social media; not, from what I've seen, in an aggressive, abusive way, more in a humorous way. Its quite funny actually.

[Yeah but 0]

2 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

There is the thing Halibut. 

 

The most vociferous supporters of Farage are the people who are most likely to have issues in a US-style insurance-based system:

 

1. The elderly who increasingly rely on medical care as they age. How are they going to get insured? It of course won’t have escaped the notice of potential insurers that the elderly in the U.K. are sitting on a huge stack of property equity. When they say they are coming for the NHS, really they are coming for your wealth as well and they will help you find ways to unlock the equity.

 

2. The low waged and the unemployed. Nothing needs to be said about the experiences of 40m+ Americans who have to make use of what the fringes of the system provides. Never forget that Farage’s best buddy is trying to destroy Obamacare

 

Don't trust Farage and his American chums

 

The NHS is not for sale

I agree with you here, I don't think Britain should conjoin with the US any more than we currently are, I don't like the US approach to many things.

 

Btw, you do realise that "Obamacare" is a pejorative label placed on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act by its opponents, don't you?

Edited June 5, 2019 by Yeah but

[alchresearch 214]

She's now apologised (probably only because she's been identified).

 

Woman says sorry for screaming 'Nazi scum' in face of Trump fan hit by milkshake

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-says-sorry-screaming-nazi-16257523

 

Mind you, the tracking has gone a bit too far in this instance:

 

 

Edited June 5, 2019 by alchresearch