Poor Theresa May

[dangerousedd 10]

dehumanising your opponents eh? we all know how that ends.

[sgtkate 10]

dehumanising your opponents eh? we all know how that ends.

 

I am very much not a fan of Theresa May, but the level of abuse she is getting is absolutely unacceptable. By all means call her out, rudely if you want, on her policies and her delivery but when it descends in name calling a personal point scoring then it's gone too far. She should give most of her opponents plenty enough ammo on her policies without even needing to consider anything else!

[melthebell 863]

thats politricks for ya

 

your opponants use everything and anything to put you down, your supporters will argue black is white to protect and help you

[hobinfoot 25]

I don't support Labour, but yes they are of course just as bad in their own ways.

 

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The average age of Tory party members is 71

 

The other parties - generally speaking - and the party I support have a much younger membership.

 

It's not just an ideologically gulf that is widening, there is a massive generational disconnect as well.

The age the Tory member is older. But the age of the average person who voted for them is not all that different from other parties.

[Jonny5 10]

I am very much not a fan of Theresa May, but the level of abuse she is getting is absolutely unacceptable. By all means call her out, rudely if you want, on her policies and her delivery but when it descends in name calling a personal point scoring then it's gone too far. She should give most of her opponents plenty enough ammo on her policies without even needing to consider anything else!

Couldn't agree more.

[I1L2T3 10]

The age the Tory member is older. But the age of the average person who voted for them is not all that different from other parties.

 

That's not true though is it. Just making stuff up isn't cool.

[Anna B 1,414]

Something needs to change the political landscape of this country - May wont change it, Corbyn probably wont either. We need something new.

 

Corbyn has already said we need a new kind of politics, and has already tried to change some things, and been laughed at and harangued for it by the Tories, eg taking questions from the public into PM's questiontime, and trying to imbue the house of commons with some dignity and respect instead of the rowdy bearpit it usually is. He's also moved the centre ground in politics to the left a bit and made the Tories (well, Theresa May,) change their tune on some policies. Thing is, the Tories will backtrack, whereas JC is a conviction politician, says what he means, and I don't think he will.

 

You say he probably won't change things. I say he's already started without even being in power. I think we should at least give him a chance.

[hobinfoot 25]

That's not true though is it. Just making stuff up isn't cool.

you cannot win an election without support from all demographics. Labour did better with the 18-30 age group the conservatives with the 40-60. But significant numbers from both these groups must have voted for each party to achieve the result.

[I1L2T3 10]

you cannot win an election without support from all demographics. Labour did better with the 18-30 age group the conservatives with the 40-60. But significant numbers from both these groups must have voted for each party to achieve the result.

 

Yes of course there was support from all age groups for all parties...

 

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/demographics-dividing-britain/

[Puggie 10]

Until we speak the brutal truth about parties then we won't progress.

 

Therein lies the problem, your "truths" are informed by your politics.

 

You will have noticed this first hand on the Brexit thread. This is why experts like Mark Carney and Mervyn King can't agree on the most basic facts on how our economy is performing because they're at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Your politics taints everything.

[tinfoilhat 11]

Corbyn has already said we need a new kind of politics, and has already tried to change some things, and been laughed at and harangued for it by the Tories, eg taking questions from the public into PM's questiontime, and trying to imbue the house of commons with some dignity and respect instead of the rowdy bearpit it usually is. He's also moved the centre ground in politics to the left a bit and made the Tories (well, Theresa May,) change their tune on some policies. Thing is, the Tories will backtrack, whereas JC is a conviction politician, says what he means, and I don't think he will.

 

You say he probably won't change things. I say he's already started without even being in power. I think we should at least give him a chance.

 

But he's still at odds with a large chunk of his party. He can only ever really represent one half of his voters on any given policy. For example Brexit-light will keep his city dwelling middle class voters happy but **** off the ignored traditional working classes in the former industrial labour heartlands.

[Anna B 1,414]

But he's still at odds with a large chunk of his party. He can only ever really represent one half of his voters on any given policy. For example Brexit-light will keep his city dwelling middle class voters happy but **** off the ignored traditional working classes in the former industrial labour heartlands.

 

Do you mean the Blairite half of Labour? I think that now they see he has a chance of winning they'll fall into line quite quickly with his policies. They care more about their seats than principles. They must surely see that the ground has moved from under them and they are yesterday's men if they persist in their pre crash thinking, - although they will surely bring some balance to the party if handled in the right way. Corbyn has never shied away from other points of view and full and frank discussions.

 

If you mean the Brexit division, don't you think that's just as true of the Tory party? I think Brexit negotiations should be cross party anyway. Both Tories and Labour have a full complement of Brexiters and remainers. It defies party lines.

But I genuinely think Corbyn could do a better job at the negotiating table

than Theresa May. It's what he does. And his only concern I think would be to get the best deal he could for Britain, whereas I suspect the Tories have some degree of self interest at heart and too many lobbyists to keep sweet.