Far-right Britain First fosters ties with Zionist movement

[melthebell 862]

but you said THE STATE which to me means the Government not individual organisations

 

i said and meant ALL authority, im sure the government hid things too

[Harrystottle 10]

You're missing my point, which was that there are some things that simply shouldn't be tolerated

 

No, I take the point. The abuse of children shouldn't be tolerated. It's just that it seems to me that we are becoming a more and more intolerant country, as in, intolerant of other people's views. You can see it on the TV on political discussion shows. The participants and audience seem to dissolve into incoherent rage very easily when their views are challenged.

 

Students "no platform" speakers whose views they disagree with; some students want "safe spaces" where only their views can be heard. We have politicians and slebs who want to shut down newspapers and websites who have views they don't agree with; and "hate speech" legislation? Who defines what it is? Some politician who has an agenda to push? I wouldn't trust that legislation to be fair.

 

The old easy going way of "I don't agree with your views but I will listen to them, and agree that you have a right to hold them" seems to have gone, and that's a shame.

[hackey lad 3,928]

The way you've not once given any suggestion that you see any difference between the white supremacists, Nazis and KKK who opposed them at Charlottesville suggests rather strongly otherwise.

 

Tell me something - if a far right group were planning a march through your area would you accept that and let them get on with it?

 

if it was a legal march Yes . As I would accept a legal march by the UAF , Gay rights ,Black lives matter, Animal liberation or any other organisation

[Michael_W 11]

We witnessed people preaching race hate in Charlottsville and we've seen it on our own streets.

Some people do attempt to defend paedophilia.

Many prominent Jews have had 'gassing' abuse directed at them online and even in the street.

 

My point is not that they are tolerated, but that they shouldn't be in answer to Harrystottle to appears to suggest that Antifa are intolerant people.

 

There are some things we shouldn't tolerate - like the ones I list above and allowing extreme right wing/ fascist / racist types to march through our towns and cities certainly shouldn't be tolerated either.

 

Antifa are intolerant, people can see what they are about, when they can't find real fascism they make out every right wing opinion is fascist. What you fail to miss in your leftist bias world is that the likes of the EDL and Britain First have come about because of the extremists who shouted down our homecoming troops in the streets, and some detest our way of life so much that they choose to commit acts of terror, yet you see intolerance as mainly a right wing issue ..... it's not.

[Guest]

Antifa are intolerant, people can see what they are about, when they can't find real fascism they make out every right wing opinion is fascist. .

 

If you're slightly to the right of Ghandi you're a fascist in Antifa's eyes.

[retep 68]

If you're slightly to the right of Ghandi you're a fascist in Antifa's eyes.

 

But Gandhi was a racist, and probably revered by Antifa,

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/06/ghana-academics-petition-removal-mahatma-gandhi-statue-african-heroes

[Halibut 12]

Antifa are intolerant, people can see what they are about, when they can't find real fascism they make out every right wing opinion is fascist. What you fail to miss in your leftist bias world is that the likes of the EDL and Britain First have come about because of the extremists who shouted down our homecoming troops in the streets, and some detest our way of life so much that they choose to commit acts of terror, yet you see intolerance as mainly a right wing issue ..... it's not.

 

First bold - by that statement you appear to be suggesting that we should tolerate - white supremacists, the KKK, Neo Nazis and racists.

 

Is that, or is that not your position?

 

Second bold - you clearly have a very poor grasp of history, EDL and the Biffers go all the way back to the BNP and the National Front, decades before any extremists shouted at troops.

[Michael_W 11]

First bold - by that statement you appear to be suggesting that we should tolerate - white supremacists, the KKK, Neo Nazis and racists.

 

Is that, or is that not your position?

 

Second bold - you clearly have a very poor grasp of history, EDL and the Biffers go all the way back to the BNP and the National Front, decades before any extremists shouted at troops.

 

The KKK are in the USA, I have not met any neo Nazis despite knowing plenty of people with right wing views in my 56 years of being a white British male living in Sheffield, even when going to football matches up and down the country for 40 years, as for racists they are everywhere and they are all creeds, colours and religions yet you only see the ones you choose to see don't you ?

Don't preach history to me fella, your not that tuned in yourself, now tell me how much of this intolerance and hatred you have actually witnessed, without exaggerating if you can, so don't just go and read the bloody Guardian or the Socialist Worker. Now you and your ilk like to tell us that we have a problem with right wing extremists in the UK, so I will ask you how many there are compared to say Islamic extremists ..... got any answers ?

[Halibut 12]

The KKK are in the USA, I have not met any neo Nazis despite knowing plenty of people with right wing views in my 56 years of being a white British male living in Sheffield, even when going to football matches up and down the country for 40 years, as for racists they are everywhere and they are all creeds, colours and religions yet you only see the ones you choose to see don't you ?

Don't preach history to me fella, your not that tuned in yourself, now tell me how much of this intolerance and hatred you have actually witnessed, without exaggerating if you can, so don't just go and read the bloody Guardian or the Socialist Worker. Now you and your ilk like to tell us that we have a problem with right wing extremists in the UK, so I will ask you how many there are compared to say Islamic extremists ..... got any answers ?

 

 

Right wing extremists reported to the Governments anti terror unit have risen sharply in the last year - thirty percent as it happens.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/finsbury-park-attack-far-right-extremist-rise-year-statistics-prevent-terrorism-scheme-referrals-a7798231.html

 

Does this concern you at all?

[hackey lad 3,928]

Right wing extremists reported to the Governments anti terror unit have risen sharply in the last year - thirty percent as it happens.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/finsbury-park-attack-far-right-extremist-rise-year-statistics-prevent-terrorism-scheme-referrals-a7798231.html

 

Does this concern you at all?

 

any response to post 75 or your insinuations in post 70 ?

[Jonny5 10]

Right wing extremists reported to the Governments anti terror unit have risen sharply in the last year - thirty percent as it happens.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/finsbury-park-attack-far-right-extremist-rise-year-statistics-prevent-terrorism-scheme-referrals-a7798231.html

 

Does this concern you at all?

It's inevitable that there will be a spike when people are driving vans into holiday makers; hacking them with machetes and blowing up nail bombs amidst teenage girls at a pop concert.

 

I'm much more concerned with what is driving young men to do things like that rather than Dave and Gary deciding they don't like "P"%$#s"

[blake 10]

the article suggests that there is "new links between far-right anti-Muslim group Britain First and the pro-Israel movement", but doesn't actually put forward any evidence at all that there is. All it does is claim that the Nazi Besser attended and picketed a pro-Palestine demo in London, and that there was also a Zionist person there at the same demonstration, who they name as a Mr. Hoffman.

 

of course they don't do anything such as provide a photograph of the two together (the one that they do feature in the article is from two years ago and the alleged Zionist they mention in the article, the Mr Hoffman, is nowhere to be seen). The article doesn't even provide any evidence that the two of them, the 'bad Nazi' Mr Besser, and the 'bad Zionist', the Mr. Hoffman, have ever actually met, or spoken.

 

it's scurrilous, nonsensical, two-bit made-up propaganda piece even by the already very low standards of electronintafada.com.

 

this very silly electronicintifada.com article would be rather funny if people hadn't appeared to have taken it seriously, like they seem to have done so here.

 

a lying piece of misrepresenting two-bit propaganda the electronicintifada.com article may be. But it has at least given another two-bit propagandist, WestTinsley, the opportunity to spread numerous falsehoods, and downright lies about the Israel-Palestine issue on a public forum.

 

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the Zionist orgs in usa and UK and tell aviv are directly funding far right groups such as bf edl ukip and bnp nf and others..

 

WestTinsley has taken it upon himself to use the opportunity of this silly, misrepresentative electronicintidada.com article to spread numerous outright lies, falsehoods, and misconceptions on this forum concerning the Israel-Palestine issue (and this is not the first time), and he's managed a great many of them in only a few posts.

 

but this is the worst one out of all of them.

 

as has been mentioned by Jeffrey Shaw, Zionism is in origin a predominately LEFT WING, not a right wing nationalist movement at all, and there is no way that even right wing Zionists would do anything at all to support obviously antisemite groups such as the ones mentioned.

 

for sure, the far-right groups in Europe appear to have, on the surface, to have shed their former blatant Jew-hating antisemitism and some of them have even begun making noises praising Israel which they would never have done before. But make no mistake. Israelis and Zionists of all sides of the political spectrum aren't fooled and they are perfectly well aware that Jew-hating antisemites is what they remain. They wouldn't give racist antisemite groups like Britain First or the BNP fifty agorot or half a shekel in any circumstances.

 

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Random?

FWIW there is a sizeable Armenian community that has been part of Palestinian population for a long long time. Equally, like all the many sections of the Palestinian population they have suffered under miltary occupation, forced displacement, loss of land/property, ethnic cleansing and Apartheid and Racist laws of the Zionist occupation..

 

is this a joke? How many times have you visited Israel? How many Armenian Israelis - or Armenian Palestinians, because some of them have Israeli nationality, and some of them haven't - have you met?

 

the ones who ended up on the Israeli side of the line and who were outside the old city and the West Bank in 1948 are today predominately non-Arab Israeli citizens with equal rights under the law to any other Israeli. The ones who ended up on the Arab side of the 1949 Armistice Line, predominately took up Jordanian nationality. But being non-Arabs, their status in today's PA, and totally unlike that in Israel where nearly all of them are full Israeli citizens, is unclear. The Armenians who ended up on the Arab side of the so-called 'Green Line', have much less rights than the ones who ended up and who continue to live as Israeli citizens on the Israeli side. Nearly all of the 700 or so Armenians in east Jerusalem are at least official residents of Jerusalem (like many Arabs are), and many of them have also applied to be Israeli citizens, again like many Arabs have, and sometimes - believe it or not - the citizenship applications they make are successful.

 

WestTinsley, I'd be absolutely delighted if you could provide any evidence of 'miltary occupation, forced displacement, loss of land/property, ethnic cleansing and Apartheid and Racist laws of the Zionist occupation' relating to the small Armenian community in Israel but I'm afraid that you won't be able to provide any for the simple reason that it never happened.

 

Israel's Armenian community has spread out through Israel these days and the small Armenian community of about 700 people (about 10% of the total of Armenians in Israel) in the old city of Jerusalem is still there, concentrated in the Armenian quarter that bears their name. The plaque commemorating the Armenian Genocide is still there on the wall bang right opposite the Jaffa Gate and visible almost as soon as you walk in.

Edited September 7, 2017 by blake