AlexAtkin   10 #1201 Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) Because there's a very small number of people who identify themselves differently to most people. They are not harming you and the chances of meeting one are slim in case you were worried about that.   Odds are you meet plenty, they just don't go around shouting about it so you never noticed.  They manage this on the continent by not being quite such big prudes as we are. It's a bit weird having women walk past to a stall whilst you're tinkling in the urinal, but it seems to work.  Or you could still have two rooms, but one just urinals and the others cubicles.  Its already close to this in many mens toilets such as Meadowhall.  If all the cubicles could be used by anyone it would make parents taking their opposite-sex kids to the toilet far less stressful, plus prevent there being all those unused cubicles in the mens while a queue forms outside the ladies. You could probably even fit MORE cubicles in a combined space, although my personal preference would be to make them bigger so they aren't so hard to get in and out of.  It might also help to reduce the paranoia some people have of the opposite sex in this country.  Many leisure centres (Ponds Forge and Graves being two I know of) have a combined changing facility anyway. I find it bizarre that the toilets are still separate, it feeds the fear that all men are perverts and that all women are snowflakes that need to be protected from them.  Its even more bizarre when you consider that having segregated changing rooms means girls under 7 get naked in front of strange men, and vice versa. Not that anyone should actually be concerned about that, but its such converse logic to the toilet fiasco.  For example you cannot have males performing detailed physical searches on females, just because the male officer came into work and declared they are a woman today.  Which is already covered, you can refuse to have ANYONE, male or female, doing anything like that if it makes you uncomfortable. The same way they ask if its okay to have a student in the room.  When I went to the doctor for an infection of my private parts it was a women who inspected me, I was fine with that. Just look at how many male gynecologists there are. Edited May 17, 2018 by AlexAtkin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #1202 Posted May 17, 2018 Ponds Forge has a combined changing facility? As in changing for the gym? With showers and so on? Toilets surely make more sense to start with than changing facilities, some people don't even like getting naked in front of their own gender, never mind the opposite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Becky B Â Â 30 #1203 Posted May 17, 2018 The toilets in the University Students Union are gender neutral. All cubicles. No problem! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
fill   10 #1204 Posted May 17, 2018  Many leisure centres (Ponds Forge and Graves being two I know of) have a combined changing facility anyway. I find it bizarre that the toilets are still separate, it feeds the fear that all men are perverts and that all women are snowflakes that need to be protected from them.  But you are happy that with joined facilities men are not being protected from false allegations by women  Its even more bizarre when you consider that having segregated changing rooms means girls under 7 get naked in front of strange men, and vice versa. Not that anyone should actually be concerned about that, but its such converse logic to the toilet fiasco.  why would anyone allow 7 year old girls to get naked in front of strange men? or allow strange men to get naked in front of 7 year old girls?  that kind behaviour is i believe still frowned upon in this country  public changing rooms really ought to be all cubicles these days and the shower facilities communal with wearing of swimming costumes whilst using them being the accepted norm    When I went to the doctor for an infection of my private parts it was a women who inspected me, I was fine with that. Just look at how many male gynecologists there are.  and that is a big deal because....? As long as the doctor and I can understand each other i care not a jot as to their gender or indeed their perception of their gender Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #1205 Posted May 17, 2018 But you are happy that with joined facilities men are not being protected from false allegations by women  Most men simply never consider that possibility since fasle allegations made by women of sexual harassment are extremely rare.    why would anyone allow 7 year old girls to get naked in front of strange men? or allow strange men to get naked in front of 7 year old girls? that kind behaviour is i believe still frowned upon in this country  Because the vast majority of men have absolutely zero sexual interest in 7 year old girls; because theirs nothing shameful or sexual about naked human beings?   public changing rooms really ought to be all cubicles these days and the shower facilities communal with wearing of swimming costumes whilst using them being the accepted norm  For what reason? You cannot possibly wash yourself properly in a swimming costume.  and that is a big deal because....? As long as the doctor and I can understand each other i care not a jot as to their gender or indeed their perception of their gender  Then why so prudish when it comes to others (who just like the doctor, have absolutely no sexual interest in you) seeing you naked? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dimple   10 #1206 Posted May 17, 2018 Most men simply never consider that possibility since fasle allegations made by women of sexual harassment are extremely rare.  The conviction rate for alleged rapists would suggest otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #1207 Posted May 17, 2018 The conviction rate for alleged rapists would suggest otherwise.  It suggests a system skewed in favour of men, where women's accounts are frequently dismissed, scorned and held up to ridicule - where women's sexually history is brought up and used against them and a system which many victims still don't trust.  Your interpretation of the low conviction rate for rape is precisely the kind of misogynistic nonsense I'd expect someone who says there's a 'war on men'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Revel   10 #1208 Posted May 17, 2018 Less than 3% of the population??? FFS!  What's that got to do with it? Should minorities be ignored? 3% = 1,950,000 people, or 3.4x the population of Sheffield. That's quite a lot of people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dimple   10 #1209 Posted May 17, 2018 It suggests a system skewed in favour of men, where women's accounts are frequently dismissed, scorned and held up to ridicule - where women's sexually history is brought up and used against them and a system which many victims still don't trust. Tell that to Rolf and the rest.   Your interpretation of the low conviction rate for rape is precisely the kind of misogynistic nonsense I'd expect someone who says there's a 'war on men'.  My bold. Whats that word? Ive never seen you use it before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ENG601PM   10 #1210 Posted May 17, 2018 It suggests a system skewed in favour of men, where women's accounts are frequently dismissed, scorned and held up to ridicule - where women's sexually history is brought up and used against them and a system which many victims still don't trust.  You are more than a little out of date. The police are learning the lessons of automatically believing alleged sex crime victims.  https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/it-isnt-all-about-victims-met-police-to-abandon-practice-of-believing-all-sex-assault-complaints-a3803791.html%3famp  London police are ditching guidelines to automatically believe sexual assault complaints, the Met Police Commissioner has said.  After heavy criticism over a series of failed sex crimes cases, the force will now put their role as investigators first, Met Commissioner Cressida Dick said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
AlexAtkin   10 #1211 Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) why would anyone allow 7 year old girls to get naked in front of strange men? or allow strange men to get naked in front of 7 year old girls? that kind behaviour is i believe still frowned upon in this country  Actually I believe its old-fashioned changing rooms that are like that. Modern ones seem to be the single room with individual cubicles. We used to be WAY less prudes before the media came along and made everyone paranoid.  Honestly whats the big deal about "strange men" if they are there with their father anyway? Its obviously nothing they haven't seen before.  and that is a big deal because....? As long as the doctor and I can understand each other i care not a jot as to their gender or indeed their perception of their gender  That's my point, isn't it weird that people are okay with doctor of the opposite sex seeing them naked but a strange taking a pee in a cubicle next to them WHERE THEY CANT SEE ANYTHING is frowned upon?  Ponds Forge has a combined changing facility? As in changing for the gym? With showers and so on? Toilets surely make more sense to start with than changing facilities, some people don't even like getting naked in front of their own gender, never mind the opposite.   I don't know about the gym but swimming its individual cubicles but all in a single open space. I can't remember any more details as its been many years since I went there.  At Graves, swimming again, its the same with the bonus they have both communal showers and some cubicles, if you want to properly get naked and shower off or feel uncomfortable in public. There are a few disabled rooms off the side which I think contain a shower and toilet. The old Graves building it was communal men, communal women, as it is at Springs Leisure Centre (where I saw the note of no over 7 girls in the mens, vice versa).  But again my point is how come changing in a cubicle alongside the opposite sex is fine, but peeing is seen as unacceptable? I don't get it, other than men typically being more messy. Edited May 18, 2018 by AlexAtkin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #1212 Posted May 18, 2018 Tell that to Rolf and the rest.  I suppose you think Bill Cosby is innocent too? What about Ched? Warboys? Are you still holding a candle for any other celebrity rapists? Jimmy Saville? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...