Mister M   1,575 #37 Posted August 15, 2017 That's getting to be pretty much what it's like... Everything outside London is becoming irrelevant.  I think we are seeing the 'managed decline' of the North as a long term political goal of the Conservative party. As time goes on conditions in the North will worsen and the North/South divide will grow wider with greater implications in terms of health and old age care and the complete abandonment of any council provided facilities. You can argue for ever about where you draw the line, but everyone knows very well which side of it they live on.  In that sense the question is less about physical geography, and more about class / wealth divisions. The old stereotypes of those who lived in the north and south don't really apply anymore, (if they ever did). However the gap between those with & without is growing wider & solidifying (see the many reports about social mobility grinding to a halt). Parts of what would be considered Northern England (some parts of Cheshire and North Yorkshire), have much more in common with London than do Tower Hamlets or Hackney, which are in London. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WestTinsley   11 #38 Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) I think we are seeing the 'managed decline' of the North as a long term political goal of the Conservative party. As time goes on conditions in the North will worsen and the North/South divide will grow wider with greater implications in terms of health and old age care and the complete abandonment of any council provided facilities. You can argue for ever about where you draw the line, but everyone knows very well which side of it they live on.  This is the bottom line .. if Scotland are reversing the trend .. we have to ask why and why cant the North.  ---------- Post added 16-08-2017 at 13:11 ----------  In that sense the question is less about physical geography, and more about class / wealth divisions. The old stereotypes of those who lived in the north and south don't really apply anymore, (if they ever did). However the gap between those with & without is growing wider & solidifying (see the many reports about social mobility grinding to a halt). Parts of what would be considered Northern England (some parts of Cheshire and North Yorkshire), have much more in common with London than do Tower Hamlets or Hackney, which are in London.  The old stereotypes? Such as? The North has always been poorer ..massively.. so there are a few pockets that are wealthy, and a few pockets down there that are poor. And? Read the article inthe first post (in this merged thread) .. the south is a world away from the North on many fronts .. shame we havent got our own version of SNP/PC up here .. Edited August 16, 2017 by WestTinsley Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Revel   10 #39 Posted August 17, 2017 Technically, the North starts at S. Yorkshire, because Derbyshire is actually Midlands. In reality, the North starts somewhere after Milton Keynes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WestTinsley   11 #40 Posted August 20, 2017 Technically, the North starts at S. Yorkshire, because Derbyshire is actually Midlands. In reality, the North starts somewhere after Milton Keynes. north staffs,north notts,north derbys,lincs and anywhere north of that is the North.anywhere south of that is the south. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
spilldig   174 #41 Posted August 21, 2017 It depends if the op means geographically or politically. If it's geographic the dividing line must be halfway between Dunnet Head and Lizard Point. If it's political I'd say Watford. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...