Planner1   438 #25 Posted November 17, 2015 Yes they are, I regularly drive around Leeds, Bradford, Manchester, Birmingham, Nottingham and every city is exactly the same. Chronic under investment over the last 30 years, but also 5 times more vehicles using the roads.  The historic under investment is a national problem, as the money which local authorities use for road maintenace is given to them by the government.  See: http://www.ciht.org.uk/en/media-centre/news/index.cfm/roads-survey-confirms-impact-of-under-investment  According to that survey, nationally, the roads need £12bn of work to bring them up to standard and the problem grows year on year as the government doesn't give Councils enough money for this aactivity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Alcoblog   10 #26 Posted November 17, 2015 The historic under investment is a national problem, as the money which local authorities use for road maintenace is given to them by the government. See: http://www.ciht.org.uk/en/media-centre/news/index.cfm/roads-survey-confirms-impact-of-under-investment  According to that survey, nationally, the roads need £12bn of work to bring them up to standard and the problem grows year on year as the government doesn't give Councils enough money for this aactivity.  Hardly surprising when it takes the best part of eighteen months, start to finish, to rebuild a 97/98 bus stop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
JFKvsNixon   11 #27 Posted November 17, 2015 Hardly surprising when it takes the best part of eighteen months, start to finish, to rebuild a 97/98 bus stop.  Judging by this thread, private industry doesn't seem to be doing much better with the roads do they? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Orzel   10 #28 Posted November 17, 2015 Judging by this thread, private industry doesn't seem to be doing much better with the roads do they?  Maybe the key are intermediaries. We give our money to central govt, they give it out to council and council orders works. We finance it but have no control over it. And those who have are in public, not private sector. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
max   13 #29 Posted November 17, 2015 Maybe the key are intermediaries. We give our money to central govt, they give it out to council and council orders works. We finance it but have no control over it. And those who have are in public, not private sector.  Once you hand anything over to the private sector you lose all control. Look at the mess the bus companies are making of the new timetabling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #30 Posted November 17, 2015 The bus timetables have been private for what, 25 years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jeffrey Shaw   90 #31 Posted November 17, 2015 The question has to be asked...and probably has been....but how/why did the Sheffield roads end up in such a state in the first place? Lack of routine maintenance; reduced budgets; quick and inadequate rectification by statutory undertakings after excavations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
taxman   12 #32 Posted November 17, 2015 The bus timetables have been private for what, 25 years?  When fares were 2p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dan_Ashcroft   10 #33 Posted November 18, 2015 The question has to be asked...and probably has been....but how/why did the Sheffield roads end up in such a state in the first place? I had the misfortune to visit the city recently, and on leaving the M1 ....words can't describe ....the roads are just a patchwork quilt of badly infilled ..holes!  Other cities are not like that.  50 years of red Sheffield wasting transport budget on subsidising bus operators, instead of investing in infrastructure  I love the 'welcome to Sheffield' jolt as soon as you cross the border from Derbyshire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Allen   38 #34 Posted November 18, 2015 Yes they are, I regularly drive around Leeds, Bradford, Manchester, Birmingham, Nottingham and every city is exactly the same. Chronic under investment over the last 30 years, but also 5 times more vehicles using the roads.  It's not that long ago (five years) that my job took me to all those cities regularly. They certainly were not as bad a Sheffield is now!  Cardiff, the capital city of Wales, has far better roads than Sheffield and certainly more traffic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Orzel   10 #35 Posted November 18, 2015 Buses may be private but... 50 years of red Sheffield wasting transport budget on subsidising bus operators, oh wait, subsidising and council again And it's not working just like road maintenance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #36 Posted November 18, 2015 When fares were 2p  That would be more like 30 years ago. They were 10p for children by 25 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...