The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[Top Cats Hat 10]

the EU27 are determined to make it lie in it. Nothing personal

 

That's what leave supporters would do well to remember when they call for Davis & Co. to play hardball with the EU.

 

All that will do is make it a lot easier for them to do the most expedient thing which is to give the UK the worst deal possible as a deterrent to any others thinking of leaving.

 

Of course May and Davis know this, as do Johnson and Rees Mogg who are just posturing for political advantage.

[Car Boot 10]

You can attack me all you want but it’s futile. Because you don’t understand democracy.

 

No decision is set in stone. That is the whole point of democracy. Change.

 

Everything has the potential to be reversed or changed. Either in dramatic fashion or bit by bit. Nibble by nibble. That is how UKIP took the battle to the country over two decades.

 

If we stay in the EU then the people at the very top getting richer and the much larger percentage at the bottom growing poorer continues. It's a trend we've been seeing for decades, and greatly accelerated after we joined the EU.

 

Many of the younger generation of voters have never known life outside of the EU, and so voted to maintain the status quo in the referendum, rather than voting for change. The next generation will almost certainly vote for a status quo OUTSIDE of the EU.

 

I think this is what gets some remain voters so upset. They are aware that unless they get another referendum up and running soon they won't have a chance in hell of returning to the EU for decades. If ever.

[melthebell 863]

If we stay in the EU then the people at the very top getting richer and the much larger percentage at the bottom growing poorer continues.

thats not an EU thing, that has always happened and always will, its a capitalist thing, its going to happen if brexit goes tits up, us at the bottom at the bottom will suffer, the rich at the top wont feel it as much

[I1L2T3 10]

thats not an EU thing, that has always happened and always will, its a capitalist thing, its going to happen if brexit goes tits up, us at the bottom at the bottom will suffer, the rich at the top wont feel it as much

 

And car boot made that argument without even acknowledging that Brexit will result in significant economic upheaval, and that will impoverish those at the bottom even more while enriching those positioned to exploit the chaos.

[Obelix 11]

Irrelevant, besides not being doable within what’s left of the Art.50 timeframe.

 

This article explains why, and, accessorily also explains why this past week’s HoC vote is irrelevant: because the backstop was only ever about NI, and the EU27 aren’t going to let it ‘extend’ to the whole of the U.K., whatever the U.K. (‘s Parliament) may proclaim or vote about it - because anything short of cancelling Brexit is subject to the goodwill of the EU27 (@ ez8004).

 

I’m afraid Brits have been severely misreading the EU27’s stance about Brexit for a long time. Including remainders, possibly. The U.K. (‘s government) made its bed and, if it doesn’t mend its ways soon, the EU27 are determined to make it lie in it. Nothing personal, just (international) business. Hey-ho.

 

This is why I started and a fair few others, yourself too I suspect to move assets out of the UK.... In my case about two weeks before the vote...

 

Just have to move myself soon but thats in hand.

[Longcol 600]

If we stay in the EU then the people at the very top getting richer and the much larger percentage at the bottom growing poorer continues. It's a trend we've been seeing for decades, and greatly accelerated after we joined the EU.

 

 

No - it was after Thatcher came to power - and has accelerated again under Tory austerity policies post 2010.

 

Which economic policies does the EU foist on us? Taxation levels? Taking the Euro?

[Top Cats Hat 10]

If we stay in the EU then the people at the very top getting richer and the much larger percentage at the bottom growing poorer continues. It's a trend we've been seeing for decades, and greatly accelerated after we joined the EU.

 

That is clearly not true. Living standards for EVERYBODY have gone up since joining the EU. That is why there has been such a clamour for other European nations outside to join.

 

Every single credible forecast predicts that it is the poorest that will be hit first and hardest by Brexit.

 

The people at the very top will stay at the very top!

 

Well done!

[Car Boot 10]

Brexit Bus was wrong - NHS to get £600 million per week thanks to Brexit

 

The famous Brexit Bus that promised an extra £350 million per week to the NHS has been exposed as a fake. The real amount the NHS will receive thanks to the Brexit dividend is £600 million per week. Only by stopping the huge sums of money we send to Brussels every year has this increase been made possible.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-extra-600m-week-theresa-12723776

[melthebell 863]

Brexit Bus was wrong - NHS to get £600 million per week thanks to Brexit

 

The famous Brexit Bus that promised an extra £350 million per week to the NHS has been exposed as a fake. The real amount the NHS will receive thanks to the Brexit dividend is £600 million per week. Only by stopping the huge sums of money we send to Brussels every year has this increase been made possible.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-extra-600m-week-theresa-12723776

That was a story a few days ago, nothing to do with brexit, its to do with the NHS' birthday, the whole point is we have money, its not being used up by immigrants and the EU, its been squirrel'd away by the tories. Its to stop it falling apart which is what happens when you starve things of cash for 10 years of austerity

Edited June 17, 2018 by melthebell

[Car Boot 10]

That was a story a few days ago, nothing to do with brexit, its to do with the NHS' birthday, the whole point is we have money, its not being used up by immigrants and the EU, its been squirrel'd away by the tories. Its to stop it falling apart which is what happens when you starve things of cash for 10 years of austerity

 

Its a major story today. Just look at the newspapers.

 

The fact is the NHS is now going to get a lot more money than it would have done if we had voted to Remain in the EU and carried on the same.

 

Why not just be happy that the NHS is going to get more funding? An increase bigger than that promised on the side of the famous Brexit Bus.

 

The referendum Leave vote and Brexit are realistically the main reason for this change in government funding of the NHS. I am proud and humbled to have helped bring this about.

[I1L2T3 10]

Let’s stop this right here.

 

There is no such thing as a Brexit dividend. It does not exist.

 

May does not know where the £600m will come from. The plan is not costed. No credible forecast makes it clear that amount of spare money will be available. She has hinted we will have to pay higher taxes to fund it.

 

This is about one thing only, and that is applying political pressure on Tory remainers.

 

It’s an extremely cynical move.

[Magilla 510]

Brexit Bus was wrong - NHS to get £600 million per week thanks to Brexit

 

The famous Brexit Bus that promised an extra £350 million per week to the NHS has been exposed as a fake. The real amount the NHS will receive thanks to the Brexit dividend is £600 million per week. Only by stopping the huge sums of money we send to Brussels every year has this increase been made possible.

 

"The budget will rise by an average of 3.4% a year - less than the 3.7% the NHS has had over the past 70 years."

 

So in essence, this "Brexit dividend" means the NHS will get less than it has had for the last 70 years.

 

Ooops....... there is no Brexit dividend.