The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[Car Boot 10]

No it appears you were.

 

It seems Brexit has given the remoaners the worries, shall they migrate to the failing EU or stay in the land of milk and honey, what's your choice surely you can't stay where you're classed as a whining loser.

 

If the UK keeps our trading relationship with the EU after we Leave the same as it is during our membership, then those arrangements that did so much damage to our industry and manufacturing will still be in place.

 

It will also mean maintaining the high tariffs on food products that penalise the poor both here and in developing countries. Staying in the single market and customs union will also risk the possibility of the EU overlords imposing the Canadian equivalent of TTIP, Ceta, on the UK.

 

Ceta aims to give multinational corporations the right to take legal action against national governments if they believe that government policies have had a negative impact upon their profits. If the EU gets its way, big business and multi-nationals will be claiming €billions from nation states that dare to put their citizens before corporate profit.

[hackey lad 3,928]

A thread spoiler not got a job yet?

 

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Billions why do you think your comrades are terrified of losing it.

 

No need for that

[Top Cats Hat 10]

No it appears you were.

 

It seems Brexit has given the remoaners the worries, shall they migrate to the failing EU or stay in the land of milk and honey,

 

We both know that this 'failing' EU will call pretty much all the shots in the forthcoming negotiations because the UK is negotiating from a point of incredible weakness. May's concessions to 'realism' today is an early acknowledgement of this.

 

Think of Teresa May as the turkey who voted for Xmas going to negotiate with the farmer whether the turkeys will be gassed or have their throats cut. Some choice!

 

And 'land of milk and honey'? What deluded planet are you living on? Show me one credible economic forecast which says that the UK leaving the EU has anything but a negative outcome.

[RJRB 682]

The UK making it's own decisions without kowtowing and keeping it's own profits instead of supporting other economies, returning our fishing waters

 

No fears just positives, paying £40 billion for the privilege of leaving should be a no, paying for UK commitments should be done as they come along.

 

What makes you think your list of fears wouldn't come about if we stayed?

 

Let’s start with one thing that we might agree on.

We need to be a strong economy.

Thereafter we diverge.

I just do not believe that there are a host of countries outside the EU who are desperate to conclude trade deals with us as an individual nation as opposed to our part in a major trading bloc.

The last US president said that we would be at the back of the queue.This was certainly part of the referendum hype,but in reality if you were in business then your first priority would be to secure the largest market.

The current US president has stated and is demonstrating his domestic protectionist policy.

Yes they all want to sell to us,but what can we offer as an offshore island of mainland Europe.

Our car industry is dominated by Japanese investment because at the right time we could offer labour and a secure base for them to supply the U.K. and export to Europe.

Without this advantage these plants will drift away as we have sen GM and Ford disappear.

Why would any overseas investor put a plant in the U.K. to supply mainland Europe.

Manufacturing may only account for 10% of our GDP but it does account for 40% of our exports.Add to this all the associated jobs in transport and shipping,warehousing etc,then we are risking real job losses if this brave new world of world trade turns out to be less rosey than Boris and Co would have us believe.

Perhaps in future years we would be glad to be in a position as a net beneficiary rather than net contributor to the EU.

On a more optimistic note I would prefer that we remain one of the major economies within the EU,and continue to help develop less fortunate members.

You obviously are not of this opinion.

(And we haven’t even started yet on the subject of migration yet ?)

To be continued

[ez8004 10]

The predominant poor and lower educated voted for Brexit. Is it so unreasonable that they should therefore be disproportionately worse off because of it? They made their bed, so they can most definitely sleep in it.

 

Sit back and see when the after effects kick in. Just watch the social divide widen. It is going to be great.

[I1L2T3 10]

The predominant poor and lower educated voted for Brexit. Is it so unreasonable that they should therefore be disproportionately worse off because of it? They made their bed, so they can most definitely sleep in it.

 

Sit back and see when the after effects kick in. Just watch the social divide widen. It is going to be great.

 

I don’t think that’s correct. They were voting for change and the EU was utilised as a convenient lightning rod for their discontent.

 

But yes they have to experience the consequences.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

 

But yes they have to experience the consequences.

 

Interesting point. A lot of people were fooled into voting to leave the EU. Should they be blamed when it all starts to fall apart or should blame be saved for those who stirred the pot?

[TOMSTEPHENSO 10]

There will be a lot of disappointment I suspect, This is when reality will set in for the Brexitiers. But it's ok because we have taken back control, I am looking forward to the £350m the NHS is going to get per week, Go Micheal Go

I Fully agree!

How can politicians get away with bare-faced lies in their campaigns? If they were judged as companies are in their advertising campaigns the politians would be punished for misrepresentation.

[tzijlstra 11]

Interesting point. A lot of people were fooled into voting to leave the EU. Should they be blamed when it all starts to fall apart or should blame be saved for those who stirred the pot?

 

Both should be blamed. The political elite for their sheer arrogance that allowed such dissatisfaction to arise that people were ready to kick at something they always kicked at, and the people who fell for it with eyes wide open.

[Lockdoctor 10]

Interesting point. A lot of people were fooled into voting to leave the EU. Should they be blamed when it all starts to fall apart or should blame be saved for those who stirred the pot?

It's unfair to say people were fooled into voting leave, just because you yourself voted for the other choice. If anyone was fooled, then it was David Cameron, who fooled himself into believing he could convince the democratic United Kingdom people to vote to remain in the EU.

[I1L2T3 10]

It's unfair to say people were fooled into voting leave, just because you yourself voted for the other choice. If anyone was fooled, then it was David Cameron, who fooled himself into believing he could convince the democratic United Kingdom people to vote to remain in the EU.

 

You’re right not everybody was conned into it. The majority stand by their decision.

 

That is why they need to suffer the consequences.

[andyofborg 11]

70s doesn't have an apostrophe, but then that's education for you... (p.s. it could be written as '70s but both are acceptable)

 

In the brave new dystopia of brexit, apostrophes will be mandatory. We will be returning to the 1950s in everything but spelling and grammar

 

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The UK making it's own decisions without kowtowing and keeping it's own profits instead of supporting other economies, returning our fishing waters

 

No fears just positives, paying £40 billion for the privilege of leaving should be a no, paying for UK commitments should be done as they come along.

 

What makes you think your list of fears wouldn't come about if we stayed?

 

Decisions about what though?

 

The more regulatory compliance we maintain, however we decide to maintain it, the less decisions we will have to make. On the other hand, the less regulatory compliance we maintain the harder and more expensive trading with the EU will be. Even the mythical trade deals will mean giving up decision making in some areas.

 

Fish don't understand borders so there will still need to be cooperation in regard to managing fish stocks.

 

Unless you are advocating mass nationalisation foreign owned companies will still be foreign owned and the profits will still be repatriated.