I1L2T3   10 #2677 Posted October 24, 2017 Not true. Juncker's account doesn't support what you want to belief. Juncker rejects claim May begged for help at dinner meeting  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/22/mays-ex-policy-chief-claims-juncker-aide-leaked-brexit-dinner-details  What else would he say Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
apelike   10 #2678 Posted October 24, 2017 Looks like Tusk is warning the EU about the effect of Brexit on them.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41733429 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #2679 Posted October 24, 2017 What else would he say  Am I too optimistic to say "the truth"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga   10 #2680 Posted October 24, 2017 Looks like Tusk is warning the EU about the effect of Brexit on them. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41733429   What does Tusk say the effects will be on the EU? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3 Â Â 10 #2681 Posted October 24, 2017 Am I too optimistic to say "the truth"? Â In this case yes. If he humiliated May by confirming the account then it would destroy the negotiations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lockdoctor   10 #2682 Posted October 24, 2017 What else would he say You believe Juncker is a liar? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3   10 #2683 Posted October 24, 2017 You believe Juncker is a liar?  You’ve got to be kidding with that question right?  After all your anti-EU rhetoric you now believe that EU bogeyman-in-chief is a paragon of virtue?  That escalated quickly  But to answer your question anyway....he’s a politician Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Puggie   10 #2684 Posted October 24, 2017 Looks like Tusk is warning the EU about the effect of Brexit on them. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41733429  This is in both the UK and EU's joint interest.  Tusk is essentially urging the remaining EU27 is to maintain the status quo which has been the EU's mantra for the last couple of decades.  The last thing anyone wants now is political divergance during the negotiations.  Who are the hardline factors,what are the names of the influential personalities and what are their ideological reasons?  Our biggest problem is Germany, they hold the keys to the European Union and Merkel has made it clear she's not ready to progress any further until she has formed her coalition government which she hopes to do by December.  In the meantime both the UK and EU have to keep the kids entertained whilst mother Merkel redies her government. Merkel was courteous enough to wait for us whilst we formed a new government, and now we're returning the favour.  Like I said previously once the 3Ms are locked in and safe, progress will start to be made.  Everything else is just political theatre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lockdoctor   10 #2685 Posted October 24, 2017 You’ve got to be kidding with that question right? After all your anti-EU rhetoric you now believe that EU bogeyman-in-chief is a paragon of virtue?  That escalated quickly  But to answer your question anyway....he’s a politician I voted to remain, but accept leave won. I am 100% behind leave now and support our own Government in the EU negotiations. Good answer to the question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hackey lad   3,963 #2686 Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) You voted by that approach. Being a hypocrite much?  how am I a hypocrite? Sorry I just remembered I asked you a question before and you didn't have the decency to reply Edited October 24, 2017 by hackey lad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga   10 #2687 Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) This is in both the UK and EU's joint interest. Tusk is essentially urging the remaining EU27 is to maintain the status quo which has been the EU's mantra for the last couple of decades.  The last thing anyone wants now is political divergance during the negotiations.    Our biggest problem is Germany, they hold the keys to the European Union and Merkel has made it clear she's not ready to progress any further until she has formed her coalition government which she hopes to do by December.  In the meantime both the UK and EU have to keep the kids entertained whilst mother Merkel redies her government. Merkel was courteous enough to wait for us whilst we formed a new government, and now we're returning the favour.  Like I said previously once the 3Ms are locked in and safe, progress will start to be made.  Everything else is just political theatre.  So from the hardline factors,influential personalities,ideological reasons,all you can come up with is Merkel,who said exactly what last week to back up what you are saying about them not wanting Brexit agreement deal?  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/angela-merkel-says-has-no-doubt-brexit-deal-will-secured/    Angela Merkel says there is 'zero indication' Brexit talks will fail Edited October 24, 2017 by chalga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Puggie   10 #2688 Posted October 24, 2017 Angela Merkel says there is 'zero indication' Brexit talks will fail  Come on now, do you really think the Germans are going to publicly say anything to the contrary? The Germans do not want to be seen as Europe's pre-eminant power, and this has been the secret to their success of turning the European Union into their back garden. It's why many in diplo circles refer to the EU as Merkel's empire or the "Germanic Union". It's why so many of our friends on the continent are worried about being gobbled up by Germany without Great Britain being there to act as a political counterweight.  The position we're in today of not being able to make progress is a result of Berlin's influence on Brussels. Berlin is insisting that London pays a price for leaving the EU, and so far they have been successful preventing further movement on Brexit negotiations. If you were shocked by the bear hugs and kisses between May/Junker its because you haven't got your ear to the ground.  We always knew Germany would be our biggest problem, it's why we dispatched the royals to German in a charm offensive. It clearly hasn't paid off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...