Towering inferno in London

[Daven 10]

What about all their furniture etc.?

 

I doubt they will have to totally clear their flats for cladding on the outside of the block to be removed and replaced.

[Andbreathe 10]

Because, there is insufficient low rent housing in that area. I never said they were not hard working, but said for many years hard working London people have had to move outside of London, because they could no longer afford to live there. As you brought the subject up, then it will be interesting to learn how many former residents of Grenfell towers were receiving housing benefit and other benefits.

 

Or even more interesting, why to you would it be interesting?

[999tigger 10]

Waiting to see if any of the unsafe blocks are in Sheffield.

[melthebell 863]

So, there was no 'incompetence and negligence' with the inadequate flood precautions ? Those floods weren't a one off, they repeated regularly with no effective action from the government, just patching here and there to save costs.

 

Grenfell Towers is not "probably criminal", it is definitely criminal on the part of the council and the cladding company. Names and photographs should be shown of those responsible, especially in the council as they could have refused to pass the materials if the necessary tests had been carried out as they once would have been when councils had specialist people who have been replaced with unqualified staff.

 

Even so, the council has the responsibility to check the recommendations of the out-sourced 'experts' they now use, so someone or some department in the council is culpable. No doubt they'll be meeting to try and come up with excuses, but I'd be moving house if I was one of them. ( There's a thing, publish their salaries and expenses along with their addresses and see if they open the door to reporters and protesters.)

floods generally are temporary? and in most cases you can escape, nor is it generally something that massively affects tower blocks.

 

fire on the other hand.............

 

stop trolling and try and think before you type

[Lord Rex 10]

The people in the tower weren't London people?

 

Either you agree London people have had to move out of London to other areas because they can't afford to live there or not. If you disagree then say so.

 

I don't work for Kensington council, so don't have access to information on whether the residents of Glenfall Tower were Londoners or not. Since you brought the subject up, then perhaps you should ask our very own Mister M that question, because he posted a link, which implied all the residents of Glenfall Tower came from Third World countries. On the News it stated the first person to be named as having died was from Syria. Also on the News there was an interview from a man and his son who were from Somalia. Both men had been rehoused but were complaining because the authorities had no information about what had happened to the man's wife. The older man from Somalia said all three of them had started descending the stairs to escape the fire and he kept looking back to see if his wife was still following him. After a few times of looking back, he could no longer see his wife. I was surprised why the person interviewing him didn't ask why he didn't hold his wife's hand and help her descend the stairs.

[melthebell 863]

I was surprised why the person interviewing him didn't ask why he didn't hold his wife's hand and help her descend the stairs.

 

because it was pitch black with dead bodies all over, and struggling for a good 5 minutes for air despite trying, quite a few people had let go

[ukdobby 224]

because it was pitch black with dead bodies all over, and struggling for a good 5 minutes for air despite trying, quite a few people had let go

 

I wouldn't let go of my wife no matter what.I do think panic has set in if its been safe the last few years why not now,if the assessors have not done their job right they should be brought to task.

Also why were some people being brought out in Camden hiding their faces.

[Bob Arctor 11]

Either you agree London people have had to move out of London to other areas because they can't afford to live there or not. If you disagree then say so.

 

I don't work for Kensington council, so don't have access to information on whether the residents of Glenfall Tower were Londoners or not. Since you brought the subject up, then perhaps you should ask our very own Mister M that question, because he posted a link, which implied all the residents of Glenfall Tower came from Third World countries. On the News it stated the first person to be named as having died was from Syria. Also on the News there was an interview from a man and his son who were from Somalia. Both men had been rehoused but were complaining because the authorities had no information about what had happened to the man's wife. The older man from Somalia said all three of them had started descending the stairs to escape the fire and he kept looking back to see if his wife was still following him. After a few times of looking back, he could no longer see his wife. I was surprised why the person interviewing him didn't ask why he didn't hold his wife's hand and help her descend the stairs.

 

Oh lovely, you're victim blaming now? People died because Somalis don't look after their wives properly? None of us can really imagine how terrifying and disorientating it must have been for the people who had to flee such an inferno. You weren't there so you can't judge - get it?

[melthebell 863]

I wouldn't let go of my wife no matter what.I do think panic has set in if its been safe the last few years why not now,if the assessors have not done their job right they should be brought to task.

Also why were some people being brought out in Camden hiding their faces.

 

i dont think you have any choice fella, you trip over in the choking blackness and youve lost contact, then you dont know where they are, or how to regrab

yet again i think people of the more right wing thinking, are failing to put themselves in the feet of a survivor with no grasp of empathy or the harshness of the situation.

Edited June 24, 2017 by melthebell

[Eater Sundae 12]

So a builder can design and construct such an important project without inspection times must have changed.

 

It's pretty irrelevant whether the design and installation are inspected by others.

 

The responsibility for choosing suitable materials and how they are installed is up to the designer. The supplier and installer are then responsible for providing the components as specified, and installing them correctly. Depending on the method of managing the contract, the designer, supplier and installer may be the same person or several different persons. Regardless of this, whether or not they were or were not checked by a third oarty does not affect culpability.

[*_ash_* 88]

and in other news

 

ok 27 tower blocks have failed safety tests

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40391395

 

Camden have evacuated residents to get changes made, fair play. however some residents are complaining, even protesting Oo

 

do they really want them and their children to possibly burn to death?

 

I've just heard a man on the radio. He was complaining about having to move from his towerblock in Camden for safety reasons. The authorities can't win.

 

To be fair, I would be annoyed if turfed out of my flat for something obviously highly unlikely. However, if they didn't evacuate them, and another went up tomorrow, there would be outright chaos. They are also perhaps more vulnerable too for other reasons.

[melthebell 863]

To be fair, I would be annoyed if turfed out of my flat for something obviously highly unlikely. However, if they didn't evacuate them, and another went up tomorrow, there would be outright chaos. They are also perhaps more vulnerable too for other reasons.

Grenfell tower residents prolly thought it highly unlikely too, even the firemen heading there saw it and thought it couldnt possibly look like it did