Towering inferno in London

[melthebell 862]

Indeed.

 

Sit in a flammable tower block. Nearly die. Hold out for a cottage with roses round the door.

 

It is a well worn path.

 

Do you vote Tory, by any chance? Or maybe you are the last Kipper on the block.

nope hes not the kipper, hes a tory

[Eater Sundae 12]

Are you denying that Cameron proposed a "bonfire of regulations"?

 

Are you denying that there will be no ban on combustable cladding around buildings?

 

And I'll just leave this here as well

 

The government hadn’t scrapped regulations regarding cladding. Despite there being a system in place, there was an uncontrollable fire. So either the building regs are not suitable, or people are purposely flouting them, or people are inadvertently not complying, a combination of these, or a possible host of other reasons. But it is clear that just saying “cladding must not be flammable” will not solve the problem, or we wouldn’t have had such a fire in the first place.

 

I watched the chair of the Hackett Report (don’t know her full title) being interviewed on TV. She seemed to talk a lot of sense, calling for a complete change in attitude, and being very scathing of the construction industry in general.

 

Some industries take a positive attitude to safety. For example, flying is often put forward as the sort of industry where people work openly to improve safety. She comes from a Chemical Engineering background, which she clearly believes has a better attitude than what she has now encountered regarding building/construction.

[I1L2T3 10]

I can understand the pressure to ban a specific class of product but that isnt the whole story. There are probably numerous other products in use that endanger life if not installed correctly.

 

Which brings us back to the need for a root and branch overhaul of the regulations. Hackett has got this right, because without a complete change in attitudes to safety, bad installations will continue to happen.

 

Obviously there should be no way now that a new tower would be clad in flammable panels. Any developer that did that would be insane: private sector developments for example would not be saleable if they did.

[El Cid 212]

Obviously there should be no way now that a new tower would be clad in flammable panels. Any developer that did that would be insane: private sector developments for example would not be saleable if they did.

 

The panels were made from a good insulator, which is also flammable - but I understand they were covered in aluminum. This covering needs to be more robust.

 

We have many sofas made from flammable material, but the same principle is applied, they are made safe by a covering or treatment.

[melthebell 862]

and its happened again

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48574044

 

although so far it seems everybody got out ok, but looking at the affected flats they look pretty bad, and residents complaints have been ignored by all the main bodies involved in building, looking after them

[Pyrotequila 401]

No it hasn't.

It's a different type of building...that's not a tower block, it looks like maisonettes.

[melthebell 862]

32 minutes ago, Pyrotequila said:

No it hasn't.

It's a different type of building...that's not a tower block, it looks like maisonettes.

still big enough and bad enough to die in, not quite as towering but definitely an inferno looking at those pictures, and like Grenfell, peoples concerns ignored

Edited June 9, 2019 by melthebell

[Lex Luthor 10]

On 09/06/2019 at 20:28, melthebell said:

still big enough and bad enough to die in, not quite as towering but definitely an inferno looking at those pictures, and like Grenfell, peoples concerns ignored

Not ignored, but placated and told there was nothing to worry about. 

 

Not enough lessons have been taken from this.  Heaven knows what it's going to take, if Grenfell wasn't enough. 

[melthebell 862]

1 minute ago, Lex Luthor said:

Not ignored, but placated and told there was nothing to worry about. 

 

Not enough lessons have been taken from this.  Heaven knows what it's going to take, if Grenfell wasn't enough. 

there was also deaths in flats like these (smaller blocks) BEFORE Grenfell

[Lex Luthor 10]

1 minute ago, melthebell said:

there was also deaths in flats like these (smaller blocks) BEFORE Grenfell

Yes.  It's quite obvious that for all their photo calls, our politicians don't care a jot for the Grenfell victims or others in social housing elsewhere. 

[Pettytom 1]

So, the Grenfell Inquiry report will be published on 30th October. A day before Brexit day and a convenient day to bury bad news. 

 

In addition, phase two of the inquiry wont report until 2021. So no prosecutions can happen until after then. So the architects, politicians, housing advisers and Health and Safety experts can all breathe easy for a few more years, at least.

 

This is is the true elite protecting itself. Forget the nonsense spouted by Brexiters of a metropolitan elite. This is the police, the judiciary and the political classes all conspiring to withhold justice from some of the poorest in our society.

 

Truly shameful.

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

4 hours ago, Pettytom said:

So, the Grenfell Inquiry report will be published on 30th October. A day before Brexit day and a convenient day to bury bad news. 

 

In addition, phase two of the inquiry wont report until 2021. So no prosecutions can happen until after then. So the architects, politicians, housing advisers and Health and Safety experts can all breathe easy for a few more years, at least.

 

This is is the true elite protecting itself. Forget the nonsense spouted by Brexiters of a metropolitan elite. This is the police, the judiciary and the political classes all conspiring to withhold justice from some of the poorest in our society.

 

Truly shameful.

Are we failing to mention the manufacturer of the faulty washing machine which potentially start the fire.  Are we failing to mention the dodgy landlords and tenants cramming people in the flats illegally beyond their capacity.  Are we failing to mention the simple fact that if all standards and codes were complied with as at the time of installation there is nothing they can be prosecuted for.

 

The key outcome for this enquiry is to find out exactly what happened, how it happened and to change the regulations so it never happens again. 

 

What it should not be used for is some stick to do a load of generic and unrelated bashing against the so called 'elites'.

 

It sickens me when people use this tragedy as a lame excuse for a bit of generic anti-tory protest.