Can't wait for the 9th..

[I1L2T3 10]

Angela Smith majority cut to 1322 with both her and tories getting over 20000 votes, swing to labour + 3.8 swing to tories + 15.5, even ardent labour supporters have to admit that is a close run.

May has always said no Ireland border so is the support of the DUP so inconceivable.

Again everybody on here must say oh no not another election if we go to the polls again this year.

For anybody who has sway with labour , if they came out with a proper policy on Brexit outlining what they actually stand for then they could go better. I could not vote for them whilst they still have free movement so will go to tories as UKIP not relevant until Farage returns. That said I still find Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnell as appealing as a colonic massage.

 

It's not inconceivable that with a more reasoned and less confrontational approach another party negotiating could actually get a reasonable deal. A lot of the Eau stance is driven by the attitude of hardline Brexiteers. Remove them from the frame and the outcome could be a lot better.

[panzer1 10]

2T3, myself as an ardent brexiteer take solace in one thing, the fact that Corbyn has always been anti eu and was Luke warm in the referendum campaign. That is my one consolation in that he may go for a harder deal than I fear.

[sgtkate 10]

Angela Smith majority cut to 1322 with both her and tories getting over 20000 votes, swing to labour + 3.8 swing to tories + 15.5, even ardent labour supporters have to admit that is a close run.

May has always said no Ireland border so is the support of the DUP so inconceivable.

Again everybody on here must say oh no not another election if we go to the polls again this year.

For anybody who has sway with labour , if they came out with a proper policy on Brexit outlining what they actually stand for then they could go better. I could not vote for them whilst they still have free movement so will go to tories as UKIP not relevant until Farage returns. That said I still find Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnell as appealing as a colonic massage.

 

Oh it was close, this election has been utterly bizarre. Typical Labour strongholds have lost vote share but then so have Tory strongholds. They lost a seat they've held for 100 years! Truro was only 500 votes short of Labour getting in, St Ives only 200 votes short of Labour taking it. Regardless of your political allegiance, bloody hell things have changed. It really has shaken up politics in the UK and thank Heavens for that! It's about time. Now let's PR to really represent all parties fairly and we've fixed it.

[L00b 441]

<...>May has always said no Ireland border so is the support of the DUP so inconceivable.<...>

It doesn't matter one bit what May "says": you can't not have a border between the EU and a third party country. And the Republic of Ireland is in the EU.

 

How else are movements of goods and people to be checked into and out of the UK, into and out of the EU?

 

And why else do you think the NI/RoI border is such a hot negotiation topic between the UK and the EU?

 

How that border is implemented, is the devil in the details of course. And there are many different ways of skinning that cat.

 

But kid yourself not: when the UK Brexits, it is getting a 'border' with the EU, therefore with the Republic.

 

If the UK Brexits into the EEA, Norway-style, it would be a 'soft' border, probably not much harder or visible than currently (because the UK is not in Schengen: it has always had a border with the EU, albeit not so much with the Republic of Ireland due to the CTA).

 

If the UK Brexits completely outside the EEA (as May & Co. want), it would be a 'hard' border, complete with full goods inspection (with the consequences on artic traffic and waiting queues on motorways in the South), Brits to use 'third party national' queues in airports and harbours, <etc.>

Edited June 9, 2017 by L00b

[panzer1 10]

I would go for PR but we supposedly had a vote on this but if I am honest I cannot remember it. I agree we are in a period of flux and change, let's see what comes.

 

---------- Post added 09-06-2017 at 09:23 ----------

 

Look you may well be right but the form of the border is yet to be seen.

[sgtkate 10]

One positive for all (I hope!) is how many close seats there were. I'll wait to see the final numbers, but it looks like the number of seats where there was less than 1000 votes in it more than doubled this time around. So many people who maybe didn't bother voting because they didn't see any point as their area was staunchly red or blue are waking up today realising that their vote could have made a massive difference.

 

This election will have re-enfranchised millions and hopefully voting numbers go up and up from here.

[panzer1 10]

Kate or it may disenfranchise, if there is another GE this year I am not sure the youth vote would turn out again.

[dutch 68]

Yeah right, after calling corbyn IRA supporter she goes to bed with DUP. Tit for tat.

[sgtkate 10]

Kate or it may disenfranchise, if there is another GE this year I am not sure the youth vote would turn out again.

 

Perhaps. I'm just overwhelmed by the turnout and how involved people have got in politics which is a fantastic thing. I so think the youth would turn out again and possibly more so as if just 10,000 more had voted Labour could have had another 12 seats. That's how close things were. Equally if another 10,000 Tory supporters had turn out the Tories might have had a majority. Regardless of which side you support, having very close votes in individual seats is surely the best outcome for all? MPs having to earn your votes, no relying on a stronghold vote, having to listen to the public etc. That's the democracy I want even if the government isn't the one I would choose.

[iansheff 88]

I think May will go.

 

There will be another election late summer, the new Tory leader will clean up on the back of a manifesto full of unrealistic promises (if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander). Meanwhile Juncker and pals will negotiate a belter of a deal for the EU.

 

Well she says she is not resigning, so how long before she changes her mind.

[panzer1 10]

Maybe by working harder for your vote they may actually come and knock on your day rather than media adverts all the time.At least in the old days you could debate the policies when they could be bothered to speak face to face.

[Supertramp 10]

Well she says she is not resigning, so how long before she changes her mind.

 

My money is on:

 

Conservatives form a coalition with the DUP.

 

1 day later Theresa May is off.