Yorkshire 53 Â Â 10 #13 Posted May 7, 2017 That's what I said. It's a win-win for Le Pen, she'll lose this, but when the cookie crumbles who will they turn to then ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga   10 #14 Posted May 7, 2017 I did watch a programme on which some young (20-30 yrs ) people were interviewed. They said they wouldn't be voting at all.Their reasons were that the choice was a banker or a fascist.  Yes,it's strange how ex banker Nigel Farage isn't a bankers puppet,but a man of the people. Anyway,victory for the EU,and long may it continue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Yorkshire 53 Â Â 10 #15 Posted May 7, 2017 Who said Farage isn't a bankers' puppet ? Of course he is. UKIP was set up by the Establishment as a Butterfly net to catch all those fed up with the old gang of Lib-Lab-Con tricksters and keep them from straying, and in case HE 'went native', well, there was that plane crash. No, I'm being silly now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga   10 #16 Posted May 7, 2017 Who said Farage isn't a bankers' puppet ? Of course he is. UKIP was set up by the Establishment as a Butterfly net to catch all those fed up with the old gang of Lib-Lab-Con tricksters and keep them from straying, and in case HE 'went native', well, there was that plane crash. No, I'm being silly now.  Keep them from straying to where?,The Green Party?,Monster raving Loonies? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Yorkshire 53 Â Â 10 #17 Posted May 7, 2017 Now you're being silly. Straying to the 'extremes' I mean, both 'extremes', Left and Right, both of them out of the clutches of high finance who'll end this pseudo-democracy and then fight it out amongst themselves. Come to think of it, they have much in common, for the present that is. Â Next question " Who would I rather triumphs in that scenario ?" Well neither actually, something in the middle, but equally out of their clutches. I'll check out 'alternatives to democracy' and see what suits me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
area 51   10 #18 Posted May 7, 2017 Good luck to the workers of france with their french version of Tony Blair.You will have your rights diminished and will find yourselves doing rubbish jobs for rubbish wages.Putting 120,000 public sector workers out of work and straight into poorly paid service jobs,no wonder so many of the workers abstained from voting.Not much of a choice for them to vote for.How long are we giving it before the first national strikes in france.Welcome to our world french workers.  ---------- Post added 07-05-2017 at 22:44 ----------  Then they don't get to complain about the outcome and its consequences, they just get to live with and shoulder their share of it. Same with those who abstained from voting in the Bre-Ump polls, same with anyone and everyone who's ever chosen not to vote.  Because not voting is effectively a vote for whichever politician or position or <...> wins the election: missing votes don't get counted against the winning tally, only votes for other candidates do.  Voting for a capitalist without morals or a fascist isnt much of a choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Hairyloon   10 #19 Posted May 7, 2017 http://newsthump.com/2017/05/07/marine-le-pen-loses-french-election-so-badly-she-is-granted-honorary-ukip-membership/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #20 Posted May 7, 2017 Voting for a capitalist without morals or a fascist isnt much of a choice.At least that was a choice. Unlike June 8th here. And on the issue of morals and fascism, I really don't think British politicians have any lessons to give. You've got the exact same lot here, and the amoral banker types have been in unfettered charge since 2015.  Macron's 577 candidate MPs (GE in a few weeks, his party En Marche is not right/left aligned) are mostly civvies/newbies. Few if any career politicians and ship-jumping old pros. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
phil752 Â Â 10 #21 Posted May 7, 2017 Putins Puppet loses. Â Bankers, EU bureaucrats Puppet wins, people loose, whats new Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
area 51   10 #22 Posted May 7, 2017 At least that was a choice. Unlike June 8th here. And on the issue of morals and fascism, I really don't think British politicians have any lessons to give. You've got the exact same lot here, and the amoral banker types have been in unfettered charge since 2015.  Macron's 577 candidate MPs (GE in a few weeks, his party En Marche is not right/left aligned) are mostly civvies/newbies. Few if any career politicians and ship-jumping old pros.  I didnt vote for the government weve got either so i know that we suffer with the same lot.Thats why i said welcome to our world.My view on politics sadly doesnt have a party to vote for in this country.I am more of a centre left authoritarian,i am certainly not a liberal and i am not a big fan of capitalism at the moment but not socialism either.I am a potential voter stuck in the wilderness of politics with nobody to vote for.I would pick you up on the banker types only being post 2015 it has been like that since the seventies in this country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga   10 #23 Posted May 7, 2017 Bankers, EU bureaucrats Puppet wins, people loose, whats new  That's democracy in action,just like a Brexit referendum.Seems like some people only like democracy when the result goes their way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
phil752 Â Â 10 #24 Posted May 7, 2017 That's democracy in action,just like a Brexit referendum.Seems like some people only like democracy when the result goes their way. Â to be honist i have very little views on the french election other that this may make it harder for the UK, I would have thought most wanting the best for their Country would think so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...