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Cyclone what is wrong with you today? Are you deliberately missing the point of not on form?

 

25 miles is nothing to me. Before I set up my own business a quiet day was 150 miles. Most days I used to drive 200 -300 miles.

 

I like to park, shop and go not park and mooch. :hihi: I don't like to get fleeced for parking either, might as well do it mail order. :hihi:

 

If I go to Meadowhall I get there for 9am and leave ASAP before it gets busy. I just like to shop and go.

 

Have you got that now? I must have said it several times already. :rolleyes:

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I don't like to get fleeced for parking either,

 

Whereabouts are you likely to get fleeced? Prices in the city centre start at 90p an hour, hardly being fleeced, is it?

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You're a mind reader now are you?

What?! You’re not seriously equating market research etc. to ‘mind reading’ are you?! It’s pretty common practice!

 

I guess if YOU were ever in town at 5pm you'd know that most shops close at 6. So if you need to do a post work shop, you can. Personally I prefer lunch time.

A good evening retail economy gives you more than an hour to do your shopping! And that’s if you can get to the shops for 5pm; I work at the Northern General and I can get to town from my office 5:20pm earliest.

 

And by 1800, it's a ghost town. Nobody is around because there's nothing open to keep them around. It's not wrong, I'll take a photo for you if you like. Or perhaps you take one and prove me wrong.

I didn’t say it wasn’t quiet. That’s not what we’ve been disagreeing on. I agree with you on that. Stop being deliberately antagonistic.

 

What makes you think that there aren't a lot of people working in the city centre?

There are a lot of people who live and work in Sheffield city centre, but not enough to warrant an evening retail economy at this time. And it’s much fewer people than live & work in Leeds or Manchester city centres.

You seem to have spent much longer picking apart my assertion that people aren't in town because the shops are all closed than you've done anything else.

In fact it looks like you're happy to continue picking at it. Despite it actually being self evident. Perhaps it's the very self evident nature that upsets you.

 

Cyclone:

People with much more experience than you or I in running retail businesses, and who have done far more market research than you or me ever have, are all of the opinion that late opening times in Sheffield city centre are not currently economically viable. I do not understand why you think simply opening the doors would change that to such a significant degree as to make that research wrong.

 

I can’t keep repeating myself Cyclone. I think it’s best you and I just leave this one there.

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Okay, so you want to shop and go, you want artisanal craft shops, and the cost of parking in Sheffield is somehow what stops you getting these things?

I don't think I get it, what stops you shopping and going in the city centre?

 

Was it the cost of parking as you said? Is it the lack of shops (despite the ones that are apparently similar to what you like)?

 

I think it is fairly anti-car, but parking isn't the issue, nor the cost of it.

That's exactly why I stopped going into the city centre. I don't find shopping high on my list of leisure activities. Shopping is essential to me. Its to be done as quick and easly as possible. I will travel to find something unique but I still want to park cheaply and get the item(s) bought and back home ASAP.

What was the "that"? Because it appeared to be parking. But then changed to be something else, and then changed again.

How is driving a long way getting the item home ASAP? It's all so inconsistent I just don't get it.

You'd rather spend a long time in the car, than a few minutes walking?

 

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What?! You’re not seriously equating market research etc. to ‘mind reading’ are you?! It’s pretty common practice!

Err, quite clearly not. You do appear to have read Planner1s mind though, as he didn't say market research, but you've declared that that's what he meant.

This is getting dull, I can't be bothered to keep picking apart your increasingly long and pointless posts.

 

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Cyclone:

People with much more experience than you or I in running retail businesses, and who have done far more market research than you or me ever have, are all of the opinion that late opening times in Sheffield city centre are not currently economically viable. I do not understand why you think simply opening the doors would change that to such a significant degree as to make that research wrong.

 

However I will say, that a) I didn't disagree with those people, I disagreed with Planner1 (or more correctly he disagreed with me and contradicted a statement that we all now agree is obviously true). b) reference to authority.

 

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Your assertion that not many people shopped when things were open might also be true, but that doesn't invalidate my assertion, they can both be true.

 

For the record, I agreed with Planner1 that his point could be correct, however it didn't invalidate the point I had made.

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I give up Cyclone. :D Your English comprehension skills seem to have had a day off. I have said the same thing umpteen times today, not changed the message at all. Not sure if you are having a bad day or just trolling. :confused:

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Whereabouts are you likely to get fleeced? Prices in the city centre start at 90p an hour, hardly being fleeced, is it?

 

Parking prices actually start at 50p/hour in the city centre.

 

The NCP at Wellington St is charging that and they also charge the same in some of the council's car parks on the edges of the city centre, like in the Wicker area.

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Cyclone you are not on form today, you are usually on the ball. :o

 

If there were 'nice' shops in the city centre within easy reach of parking I would shop there. We came all the way into the city centre a couple of weeks ago just to visit the coffee shop / café hubby had found on his specialist coffee forum. Admittedly we had already been to one customer and we were heading back to the office after lunch. We parked nearby, had coffee and lunch, bought coffee beans from them and went back to the office. If there were more (that we knew of) of interest we would be more likely to spend and shop more in the city.

 

Are you up to speed now? We don't like to mooch around town looking for shops. We like to shop then go home. There is nothing we would like more than to find more independent shops.

 

A few weeks prior to that we visited another coffee shop on the other side of town but still in the centre. We had been to see another customer a few streets away, bought a coffee and a sandwich, bought more coffee beans but this coffee shop also sold artisan bread so we bought some of that too.

 

It was a work day so we were seeing another customer that afternoon.

 

Are you getting my drift?

 

It would be useful if there was some sort of directory of independent food shops or all shops in town as I'm sure there are more in Sheffield than we know of. I usually trawl twitter or specialist food articles trying to find these types of shops.

 

I don't think I'm getting the drift.

 

So you have been to town recently, despite the apparent cost and lack of parking. But only because someone told you about a coffee shop.

Perhaps there isn't a lack of specialist shops, nor a lack of parking, nor is the parking too expensive. Perhaps it's just that you don't know about the shops because you haven't found them on twitter... Who knows.

 

Specialist food shops are nice, but I guess most people who are shopping in town probably want to buy some clothes, or maybe some electronics...

And parking is not an issue that is stopping them (except in their heads).

 

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In conclusion though

"That's exactly why I stopped going into the city centre."

You didn't, you've been twice in the last month by the sounds of it.

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oh boy you are really having a bad time Cyclone. :o I don't 'shop' ie I don't walk around town as I actually find it really depressing, it dampens my mood. It did the last few times I 'shopped'. I haven't shopped recently, merely popped in to a shop, purchased something and left. I occasionally come into Cole brothers, don't know what its called now. Other than that I just pop into other shops then leave. I call 'shopping' when you walk round the shops or visit more than one shop. I do usually combine a pop in to a shop as I'm passing. I would not make a special trip just to come and have a coffee. Not a good use of my time and not very environmentally friendly.

 

Perhaps people who wander round town don't have hobbies or anything more interesting to fill their time?

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Perhaps people who wander round town don't have hobbies or anything more interesting to fill their time?

 

Makes you wonder why people bother with city breaks doesn't it?

 

No.

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Makes you wonder why people bother with city breaks doesn't it?

 

 

yes, can't think of anything worse. :oI might go into a town for sightseeing but not to shop. I'm not a hermit by the way. :hihi:

 

The point is, town needs to attract as many people as possible, not just the people who shop already for leisure.

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oh boy you are really having a bad time Cyclone. :o I don't 'shop' ie I don't walk around town as I actually find it really depressing, it dampens my mood. It did the last few times I 'shopped'. I haven't shopped recently, merely popped in to a shop, purchased something and left. I occasionally come into Cole brothers, don't know what its called now. Other than that I just pop into other shops then leave. I call 'shopping' when you walk round the shops or visit more than one shop. I do usually combine a pop in to a shop as I'm passing. I would not make a special trip just to come and have a coffee. Not a good use of my time and not very environmentally friendly.

 

Perhaps people who wander round town don't have hobbies or anything more interesting to fill their time?

 

Perhaps this is a communication problem.

 

Shopping is not the act of walking around town. It's the act of going into a shop and purchasing something.

 

You don't know that "cole brothers" is John Lewis, I mean it's only been what, 2 decades, I can see how that would be hard to remember.

 

Who do we think just "wanders" around town? Is that a activity?

 

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It does sound though, that no matter what the parking situation, you'd actively avoid 'shopping' in town for one reason or another.

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I know loads of people who wander around the shops 'for fun', my parents for one. Its good for them as it keeps them active now they are retired. A lot of people go for a wander around and may or may not buy. Wandering round town buying stuff is shopping but some people just go window shopping. They may or may not be tempted.

 

Cole Brothers; I've only been there three times in the last twenty years. I parked close by, purchased then went home.

 

If the town was redeveloped I may be tempted back to shop / window shop, depending how it was developed. I like to shop and go, not spend ages. Why are you failing to understand this concept?

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