Police officer Stabbed outside Houses Of Parliament

[sgtkate 10]

Are you thinking this may not have been a terrorist action then?

 

By terrorism, I mean an act calculated to change public opinion by the use of violent actions against civilians, in order to change government policy?

 

As things stand nothing has been confirmed either way, we should just wait until things settle down and the police have had time to fully investigate what's driving this before we speculate and start rolling out the pitchforks.

[Jacktari 10]

As things stand nothing has been confirmed either way, we should just wait until things settle down and the police have had time to fully investigate what's driving this before we speculate and start rolling out the pitchforks.

 

I completely agree.

Speculation and undignified behaviour is not the way forward.

Lashing out blindly solves nothing.

We should calmly and reasonably assess the information, over a cooling off period.

 

Then lash out blindly, as we always do.

[mafya 246]

No reports of him shouting God is great or anything Islamic so maybe he was high on crack cocaine and went on a murderous rampage?

[Berberis 10]

 

My bold=

Nobody is blaming others, I'm giving reasons why some Muslims may turn towards terrorism.

Competent leaders like Gaddaffi you mean who we end up taking out to be replaced by the extremists?

Corruption has naff all to do with terrorism but hey keep bombing Muslim countrys on false pretences, keep arming so called moderate rebels, keep glorifying the white helmets who are terrorists and let's see if the terrorism stops.

You can't beat something if you fail to understand it, meanwhile our Govt continues to supply Saudi Arabia with weapons to kill Yemenis....?

 

Utter dross. You try to claim "we" are the cause ... generalising in a way you would cry foul of if I did the reverse

 

How about we stop interfering and bombing Muslim countrys and then when people in mosques and children in schools are not getting blown up it may give less ammunition to the extremists to be able to recruit nutters

 

You claim I fail to understand but you see Islamic terrorism as a modern phenomena caused by the west. It simply is not. Muslims have been killing one another ever since Mohammed died and they couldn't agree on who should replace him.

 

Muslims have been killing each other for hundreds of years. Its only become a problem in the west due to the rise in the number of Muslims living in the west. It's not a coincidence the rise in islamic terrorism in western countries goes hand in hand with the rise in the number of Muslims living in the west.

 

Over the last few years there have been Islamic terrorist attacks in Bangladesh, Germany,Camaroon, Nigeria, Somalia, Chad, Niger, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Denmark, Tunisia, Pakistan and Lebanon to name a few countries. Just how much meddling have these done in Muslim countries as you put it?

[harvey19 541]

Are you thinking this may not have been a terrorist action then?

 

By terrorism, I mean an act calculated to change public opinion by the use of violent actions against civilians, in order to change government policy?

 

I do not know what the motive was.

Does anyone know yet ?

[mafya 246]

Utter dross. You try to claim "we" are the cause ... generalising in a way you would cry foul of if I did the reverse

 

 

 

You claim I fail to understand but you see Islamic terrorism as a modern phenomena caused by the west. It simply is not. Muslims have been killing one another ever since Mohammed died and they couldn't agree on who should replace him.

 

Muslims have been killing each other for hundreds of years. Its only become a problem in the west due to the rise in the number of Muslims living in the west. It's not a coincidence the rise in islamic terrorism in western countries goes hand in hand with the rise in the number of Muslims living in the west.

 

Over the last few years there have been Islamic terrorist attacks in Bangladesh, Germany,Camaroon, Nigeria, Somalia, Chad, Niger, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Denmark, Tunisia, Pakistan and Lebanon to name a few countries. Just how much meddling have these done in Muslim countries as you put it?

 

The terrorism we see today is a reaction to western policy of imposing democracy and bombing Muslim countrys, the we includes me as I'm part of western society too.

Instead of having a go back at me why not have a think about why all of a sudden terrorism is on the up.

[tinfoilhat 11]

The terrorism we see today is a reaction to western policy of imposing democracy and bombing Muslim countrys, the we includes me as I'm part of western society too.

Instead of having a go back at me why not have a think about why all of a sudden terrorism is on the up.

 

Western intervention might explain terrorism in the west but why is there terrorism in nigeria and loads of other places on that list?

[Detetcive 10]

Are you thinking this may not have been a terrorist action then?

 

By terrorism, I mean an act calculated to change public opinion by the use of violent actions against civilians, in order to change government policy?

 

Probably a loner who had become radicalised - police say he had an interest in jihad but was not directed by ISIS and had not discussed or planned this with anyone else.

[Guest]

Western intervention might explain terrorism in the west but why is there terrorism in nigeria and loads of other places on that list?

 

The west can't be blamed for ALL terrorism everywhere of course, but I'd say its the route cause of most of the significant terrorism around the world. Western powers have a tendency of taking sides and propping up certain people/groups/regimes, to the detriment of other people/groups/regimes, and so on, for its own ends.

[Bob Arctor 11]

Western intervention might explain terrorism in the west but why is there terrorism in nigeria and loads of other places on that list?

 

There is plenty of western intervention in Nigeria but its character is economic, corrupt and possibly paramilitary in nature, rather than all-out military intervention. A quick search of "Shell Nigeria corruption abuse" should give you hours of reading on the subject. It doesn't of course follow that this is what is driving Boko Haram but I think we need to ask ourselves if it's a contributing factor. Certainly corruption in the Nigerian government and the siphoning off of funds seems to be holding the military back in its operations against Boko Haram, and corruption in Nigeria is never far away from oil, e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/05/the-oil-deal-the-disgraced-minister-and-800m-paid-via-a-uk-bank

[tinfoilhat 11]

There is plenty of western intervention in Nigeria but its character is economic, corrupt and possibly paramilitary in nature, rather than all-out military intervention. A quick search of "Shell Nigeria corruption abuse" should give you hours of reading on the subject. It doesn't of course follow that this is what is driving Boko Haram but I think we need to ask ourselves if it's a contributing factor. Certainly corruption in the Nigerian government and the siphoning off of funds seems to be holding the military back in its operations against Boko Haram, and corruption in Nigeria is never far away from oil, e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/05/the-oil-deal-the-disgraced-minister-and-800m-paid-via-a-uk-bank

 

But the west is and has been screwing Africa over since the year dot. A Nigerian (of whatever religion) running amok would make more sense than a Muslim born in Kent doing what he did.

[melthebell 863]

its amazing what you can find online that you never knew about. somebody on another site just posted this piccie

 

so i did a search on the guy as i'd never heard of him, which lead me to this

 

In 1947 in the aftermath of the Exodus incident, he led a Stern Gang plot to bomb London in protest.[3] Korff traveled to Paris and offered a member of the United States Air Force, Reginald Gilbert, money to fly the plane that would bomb London. Gilbert accepted Korff's offer, and then took the matter to French police.[7] Korff was then arrested. In protest of his arrest, he held a hunger strike[8] which lasted 17 days until he was released by officials.[3] Korff fell into a coma and was treated in a hospital, but all charges were dropped against him.[3] Korff was also part of Menachem Begin's underground movement in the 1948 Palestine war.

 

so people related to israel and the US were once implicated in a terrorist plot to blow up London (as they are the enemy), funnily enough i bet this guys not as derided as Mandela, Mcguiness etc for once being a terrorist and then became a leader.

Former Lehi leader Yitzhak Shamir became Prime Minister of Israel in 1983.

 

Oo

Edited March 28, 2017 by melthebell