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UK government apparently believes that it can negotiate for EU agencies to remain in the UK post-Brexit

So, it's (yet another) proof that either

  • the government hasn't clue and is making it up as it goes along; or
  • that another chunk of the 350m that's not going on the NHS will be sacrificed 'negotiated' to keep something that passes for the EMA and/or the EBA in London.

Note that I do not exclude some degree of causality between these alternatives :D

 

The EU Commission had this to say about it yesterday.

 

 

Your "indifference" is slipping again.

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Your "indifference" is slipping again.

What are you, the thought police?

 

You started earlier this morning inferring "loathing" from me, without answering a bona fide question in context, and not content with that, now you seek to censure my contribution to the thread as well?!?

 

Have a free can of f off from me, and cop on sometime :|

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What are you, the thought police?

 

You started earlier this morning inferring "loathing" from me, without answering a bona fide question in context, and not content with that, now you seek to censure my contribution to the thread as well?!?

 

Have a free can of f off from me, and cop on sometime :|

 

It seems to me that you've taken to evading questions yourself with posts along the lines of "I'm indifferent" or "I'm enjoying watching the (imaginary) suffering of my victorious opponents".

Now you're getting emotional because I've called you on it.

 

Either engage in the debate or don't. Jumping out with a comment when you feel like it and then answering with "I'm indifferent" or other such nonsense when challenged is not cricket.

You're clearly not indifferent. It's just something you've taken to saying as a tactic.

 

Thank you for the abuse by the way. It's always nice to have the moral high ground handed to one on a silver platter.

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Where has Loob tried to avoid debate with being indifferent? He might have been indifferent towards the UK but that's not the same with debate.

 

I really think you are reading thins in that simply are not there and it is not helping your cause at all.

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It seems to me that you've taken to evading questions yourself with posts along the lines of "I'm indifferent" or "I'm enjoying watching the (imaginary) suffering of my victorious opponents".

Now you're getting emotional because I've called you on it.

 

Either engage in the debate or don't. Jumping out with a comment when you feel like it and then answering with "I'm indifferent" or other such nonsense when challenged is not cricket.

You're clearly not indifferent. It's just something you've taken to saying as a tactic.

I never did say I was indifferent to the debate, I said I was indifferent about those 'left behind' by Brexit.

 

Perhaps read my post #1811 and #1813 again, and this time have a stab at understanding them. And maybe even consider the question I put to you at the time (and again in #1822).

 

I'm not emotional in the least: I just called you out, like Obelix and Hairyloon -and so many others before them- have.

 

And you've fudged it steadfastly.

 

Off to the ignore list with you, I'm wholly uninterested in justifying myself further and seeing any more of your 'debating' (debate-shutting, really) barbs.

 

For the avoidance of doubt, no loathing whatsoever in this post, just disappointment, and now complete indifference about whatever else you may post next. Maybe you'll get the distinction between both concepts.

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I never did say I was indifferent to the debate, I said I was indifferent about those 'left behind' by Brexit.

 

Perhaps read my post #1811 and #1813 again, and this time have a stab at understanding them. And maybe even consider the question I put to you at the time (and again in #1822).

 

I'm not emotional in the least: I just called you out, like Obelix and Hairyloon -and so many others before them- have.

 

And you've fudged it steadfastly.

 

Off to the ignore list with you, I'm wholly uninterested in justifying myself further and seeing any more of your 'debating' (debate-shutting, really) barbs.

 

For the avoidance of doubt, no loathing whatsoever in this post, just disappointment, and now complete indifference about whatever else you may post next. Maybe you'll get the distinction between both concepts.

 

Not sure what good this does you. I can still counter your posts but you can't counter mine.

 

I have got a bit tired tolerating the rage of the remainers on here. I do sympathise with those who suffered personal losses on account of Brexit, and those who have suffered abuse from Brexit-supporting thugs.

Find a post from me along the lines of "Oh look at the suffering of the people of the EU and rejoice". Or "Look at this isolated anecdote of a thing that may happen and may be good, Brexit is the cause".

 

---------- Post added 20-04-2017 at 14:44 ----------

 

When people stop building a constructive relationship and reciprocating goodwill with you, do you still engage with and rely on them?

 

There's no loathing. Just complete and utter indifference.

 

The UK does want a constructive relationship. Just not a political union.

 

I've answered this about a thousand times already.

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I have got a bit tired tolerating the rage of the remainers on here. I do sympathise with those who suffered personal losses on account of Brexit, and those who have suffered abuse from Brexit-supporting thugs.

Find a post from me along the lines of "Oh look at the suffering of the people of the EU and rejoice". Or "Look at this isolated anecdote of a thing that may happen and may be good, Brexit is the cause".

 

My heart bleeds... I notice the hastily tagged part to deflect my obvious response.

 

If you are getting a bit tired after getting what you want try to consider how those who lost people, have lost jobs, rights to abode, movement, citizenship et al are feeling hmm?

 

You get to sit pretty and feel a bit despondant about people complaining. Oh the horror! I've been forced to move countries, I have an uncertain future if I cannot establish right of abode, it has cost me personally a great deal and you are bleating about feeling a bit tired?

 

Words fail me.

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My heart bleeds... I notice the hastily tagged part to deflect my obvious response.

 

If you are getting a bit tired after getting what you want try to consider how those who lost people, have lost jobs, rights to abode, movement, citizenship et al are feeling hmm?

 

You get to sit pretty and feel a bit despondant about people complaining. Oh the horror! I've been forced to move countries, I have an uncertain future if I cannot establish right of abode, it has cost me personally a great deal and you are bleating about feeling a bit tired?

 

Words fail me.

 

Which is why I make allowances. But there are limits.

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It'll be interesting to see whether the public notice the clever shift in what Teresa May will claim as her "mandate"....

 

The Conservative manifesto will say that they want to make Britain a tax haven for the rich, stripped down of protections for workers and the environment; free movement taken away; the ability to take the government to the European courts removed.

 

It won't say £350m/week for the NHS - one of the lies that won the referendum.

 

But the winner of "first past the post" general elections typically has less than a third of the total vote.

 

So if the Tories win the election, they will try to claim they have a mandate for this hard Brexit, but a majority of voters would not have voted for them.

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It'll be interesting to see whether the public notice the clever shift in what Teresa May will claim as her "mandate"....

 

The Conservative manifesto will say that they want to make Britain a tax haven for the rich, stripped down of protections for workers and the environment; free movement taken away; the ability to take the government to the European courts removed.

 

It won't say £350m/week for the NHS - one of the lies that won the referendum.

 

But the winner of "first past the post" general elections typically has less than a third of the total vote.

 

So if the Tories win the election, they will try to claim they have a mandate for this hard Brexit, but a majority of voters would not have voted for them.

 

In the UK the winner usually has the plularity. Some people thought it odd Trump won an election but got fewer votes. It can happen here too. In fact I think it's happened the same number of times in the UK as it has the US. A quirk of both systems.

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It'll be interesting to see whether the public notice the clever shift in what Teresa May will claim as her "mandate"
The biting irony is that she can't get any more or bigger of a mandate with the EU: she's the British PM already.

 

The only mandate she can improve upon, is relative to the British electorate.

 

But that counts for sod all with the EU27: they're no more obliged to give in to the UK's demands with a PM enjoying a majority of 200 in the Commons, than with a PM enjoying the current majority of 17 in the Commons.

 

On precedent alone (an enormous portion of the public lapping the £350m, halt immigration, <etc.>) I'm confident that the bulk of the UK voting public will be, and stay, completely oblivious to that nuance, and that turkeys will vote for more Xmas indeed.

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