chalga   10 #145 Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) Yes. They're asking for us to contribute to the ongoing operational costs of an organisation we shall no longer be part of. It's silly.  So the negotiations will start with the UK telling the EU not to be silly?,bearing in mind that the UK has less than 2 years to conclude a deal.  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/22/eus-chief-negotiator-sets-three-conditions-for-brexit-trade-talks-to-start        Jennifer Rankin in Brussels Wednesday 22 March 2017 15.00 GMT Last modified on Wednesday 22 March 2017 15.02 GMT The EU’s chief divorce negotiator, Michel Barnier, is calling for an “orderly” Brexit and insisting Britain must settle its EU debts and resolve uncertainty for European citizens before talks can begin on a trade deal.  In only his second public statement on Brexit since he took up the position last autumn, Barnier will stress that the UK must “settle its accounts” as it leaves the EU, a slapdown of British claims that the UK could leave without paying a penny.  “When a country leaves the union, there is no punishment,” he is expected to say. “There is no price to pay to leave, but we must settle the accounts. We will not ask the British to pay a single euro for something they have not agreed to as a member.”   The UK and the rest of the EU would both lose out if there was no deal, but the UK will be hardest hit, he will say. “At the end of the day, we will both need – you and us – a united Europe to reach a deal.”  In a speech to the committee of the regions, a little-known EU institution intended to give a voice to local and regional leaders, Barnier will spell out that Brexit talks will have to make progress in three areas before negotiations on a future trading relationship can begin. The three areas are money, citizens’ rights and the Irish border.  His Brexit timetable is a firm rebuff to the British government’s hopes of running talks on the divorce and trade deal in parallel. Edited March 22, 2017 by chalga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Blackbeard   10 #146 Posted March 22, 2017 Interesting comment in the Irish Times http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/uk-airlines-told-to-move-to-europe-after-brexit-or-lose-major-routes-1.3019952 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #147 Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) So the negotiations will start with the UK telling the EU not to be silly?,bearing in mind that the UK has less than 2 years to conclude a deal.  Yes. They will.  If we continue to participate in certain programs, we should continue to pay into those programs directly. We should not pay anything to the EU itself. Edited March 22, 2017 by unbeliever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga   10 #148 Posted March 22, 2017 Yes. They will. If we continue to participate in certain programs, we should continue to pay into those programs directly. We should not pay anything to the EU itself.  Straight to WTO then,cut out the timewasting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #149 Posted March 22, 2017 Straight to WTO then,cut out the timewasting.  We'll see.  . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ez8004   10 #150 Posted March 22, 2017 We'll see. .  Going to grab my popcorn and watch the poor get poorer and then complain about how their benefits aren't enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ricgem2002 Â Â 11 #151 Posted March 22, 2017 Going to grab my popcorn and watch the poor get poorer and then complain about how their benefits aren't enough. maybe their benefits will be ok now we not paying out to the rest of the eu/immigrants:roll: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #152 Posted March 22, 2017 We'll see. Bricking it Hedging your bets, much? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jeffrey Shaw   90 #153 Posted March 22, 2017 Well nothing is ever irrevocable. Untrue; death is, for instance, at least for the foreseeable future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
NigelFargate   10 #154 Posted March 22, 2017  Poland looks to be 2nd according to that link, with 800,000 Poles in the UK (source). So 1.2m Brits across the EU vs 0.8m Poles in the UK (for context).  These figures still do not look right to me. Firstly, there are Poles working in other EU states as well. Secondly, Poland has a population of around 40 million, compared to 65 million in the UK. Also, a substantial proportion of Brits living abroad are retirees, not workers, and so are unlikely to be a drain on the welfare systems of the host countries. Moreover, I think that it is likely that citizens of the Baltic states account for proportionally a higher figure than either Poland or the UK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga   10 #155 Posted March 22, 2017 These figures still do not look right to me. Firstly, there are Poles working in other EU states as well. Secondly, Poland has a population of around 40 million, compared to 65 million in the UK. Also, a substantial proportion of Brits living abroad are retirees, not workers, and so are unlikely to be a drain on the welfare systems of the host countries. Moreover, I think that it is likely that citizens of the Baltic states account for proportionally a higher figure than either Poland or the UK.  So,we've got from 'reciprocal health care' to 'a drain on the welfare systems of host countries'............what was that you were saying about the public understanding if it was explained to them clearly? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
gomgeg   10 #156 Posted March 22, 2017 These figures still do not look right to me. Firstly, there are Poles working in other EU states as well. Secondly, Poland has a population of around 40 million, compared to 65 million in the UK. Also, a substantial proportion of Brits living abroad are retirees, not workers, and so are unlikely to be a drain on the welfare systems of the host countries. Moreover, I think that it is likely that citizens of the Baltic states account for proportionally a higher figure than either Poland or the UK. According to the Guardian the U.K. Paid out 670 million to other EU countries for Brits healthcare, while getting back less than 50 million from those countries for healthcare here. Which seems a bit disproportionate taking into account the number of brits living and working abroad and the number of EU citizens here. Probably because most of us who go abroad on holiday take out insurance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...