The Consequences of Brexit (part 3)

[I1L2T3 10]

Speaking of ideological fantasies.. what do you think the Single Market is? It's a pipe dream that has never materialised.

 

Nobody did more to drive that goal than Thatcher.

 

Next....

[tinfoilhat 11]

Speaking of ideological fantasies.. what do you think the Single Market is? It's a pipe dream that has never materialised.

 

Have you tried to import things from the eu? Have you tried to import things from outside the eu?

[Puggie 10]

Nobody did more to drive that goal than Thatcher.

 

Next....

 

Britain's economy is without a doubt a shining example of what a single market looks like. Of course we tried to encourage the rest of th EU to up their game and to make the single market a reality but it never happened. The very fact European politicians are still harping on about "completing the single market" would suggest it hasn't been achieved after all these decades on.

 

The EU is riddled with barriers. Cultural barriers, political barriers, technological barriers, language barriers etc

[retep 68]

Why do they want us to stay? Some do some don't.

 

Before the referendum an extremely articulate German wrote to the Times and they gave it a suitably prominent position at the head of the letters page.

 

Basically his message was " you are nothing but a trouble making bunch of ingrates who begged to be admitted into the EEC when you were the sick man of Europe on a three day week, since joining you have been disruptive and too interested in kissing up to the Americans to be committed Europeans, so why don't you sod off and become the 51st State? "

 

I paraphrase, he was a lot more charming and well mannered than that but that was the gist of his letter.

 

Where do you get the 30% figure from, 44% is the figure normally quoted.

 

In any case anything we export through the EU for onward transportation will presumably attract a higher tariff following Brexit and therefore increase the cost to the end user.

 

He seems to have forgotten the British help in rebuilding Germany, the ingrate.

[chalga 10]

Britain's economy is without a doubt a shining example of what a single market looks like. Of course we tried to encourage the rest of th EU to up their game and to make the single market a reality but it never happened. The very fact European politicians are still harping on about "completing the single market" would suggest it hasn't been achieved after all these decades on.

 

The EU is riddled with barriers. Cultural barriers, political barriers, technological barriers, language barriers etc

 

It's no problem,you've left............oh,hang on a bit,you want to leave the single market that doesn't exist,and then get access to it again.

[Carlinate 10]

He seems to have forgotten the British help in rebuilding Germany, the ingrate.

 

Maybe he remembered Britain's role in destroying Germany in the first place, and believes that it was Americas Marshal Plan that helped to rebuild it?

 

Incidentally, are you aware that Britain received more than a third more aid from Americas Marshall Aid Plan than Germany did?

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwixjLT-4MXUAhWoJsAKHdB6C6cQFggwMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fhistory%2Fbritish%2Fmodern%2Fmarshall_01.shtml&usg=AFQjCNG_AQiaOnnWk6YMF-oTbFhc8zRZWg

 

Difference being that they used it to rebuild infrastructure and industry whilst we used it to try to remain a 'player' alongside the Big Boys of the USA and Russia.

 

That's one of the things that worries me about the whole Brexit 'Taking back control' thing.

 

The people who are part of the establishment in this country and will be exercising any control we have are delusional with regard to our importance in the present time.

 

They are descended from the people who ran the Empire and can't accept that it's over and they aren't in the same situation.

 

We have placed ourselves at the mercy of these people and they have no regard for anyone not of their class.

[Puggie 10]

They are descended from the people who ran the Empire and can't accept that it's over and they aren't in the same situation.

 

We have placed ourselves at the mercy of these people and they have no regard for anyone not of their class.

 

I made this argument many many pages ago and got shot down.

 

There are disgruntled MoD strategists and senior politicians within the echelons of power that romanticize about Britain's past. Many will argue we swapped our dominance for a doormat. There is unspoken resentment that the country that lost the war (Germany) has now become our economic and political arch rival.

[apelike 10]

retep - you don't understand the numbers do you?

 

Less than 38% pf the whole of the UK voted to leave.

 

Seems like you dont either and what keeps being pointed out to you is that only 34.7% of the electorate actually voted to remain, and that is the bit that counts.

Edited June 17, 2017 by apelike

[Carlinate 10]

I made this argument many many pages ago and got shot down.

 

There are disgruntled MoD strategists and senior politicians within the echelons of power that romanticize about Britain's past. Many will argue we swapped our dominance for a doormat. There is unspoken resentment that the country that lost the war (Germany) has now become our economic and political arch rival.

 

The thing is of course that they're not our arch rival, they are way ahead of us in terms of their economy and industrial base.

 

One of the basic problems is the delusional way that Britain views WW2.

 

We did not win the war, the Allies won the war, and whilst we played a valuable and honourable part it was not as crucial as we like to think.

 

Eight out of every ten German troops killed in battle was killed by the Russians.

 

Fourteen nations lost more people than Britain did in the war and six more nations lost more in military casualties.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjq2OaD_cXUAhUCUhQKHfvsC3AQFgh1MA4&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.secondworldwarhistory.com%2Fworld-war-2-statistics.asp&usg=AFQjCNGJ8BWybic6JunENWZ4miAP0ZeubA

 

Britain has no need to BS the facts, we played our part, and yet for some people that isn't enough, they have to overhype it.

 

An inbred longing for times past and the 'effortless superiority ' that that class thought they had still lingers on in the establishment and it is detrimental to our future well being and prosperity.

 

Brexit is playing into their delusions, and they are about to be exposed for the second and third rate charlatans they are, to our cost.

[Litotes 63]

And won

 

52%

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

 

And doesn't represent the wishes of the UK..

 

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/10/24/brexit-is-not-the-will-of-the-british-people-it-never-has-been/

 

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Seems like you dont either and what keeps being pointed out to you is that only 34.7% of the electorate actually voted to remain, and that is the bit that counts.

 

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/10/24/brexit-is-not-the-will-of-the-british-people-it-never-has-been/

[*_ash_* 88]

Seems like you dont either and what keeps being pointed out to you is that only 34.7% of the electorate actually voted to remain, and that is the bit that counts.

 

Don't confuse them

[retep 68]

Maybe he remembered Britain's role in destroying Germany in the first place, and believes that it was Americas Marshal Plan that helped to rebuild it?

 

Incidentally, are you aware that Britain received more than a third more aid from Americas Marshall Aid Plan than Germany did?

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwixjLT-4MXUAhWoJsAKHdB6C6cQFggwMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fhistory%2Fbritish%2Fmodern%2Fmarshall_01.shtml&usg=AFQjCNG_AQiaOnnWk6YMF-oTbFhc8zRZWg

 

Difference being that they used it to rebuild infrastructure and industry whilst we used it to try to remain a 'player' alongside the Big Boys of the USA and Russia.

 

That's one of the things that worries me about the whole Brexit 'Taking back control' thing.

 

The people who are part of the establishment in this country and will be exercising any control we have are delusional with regard to our importance in the present time.

 

They are descended from the people who ran the Empire and can't accept that it's over and they aren't in the same situation.

 

We have placed ourselves at the mercy of these people and they have no regard for anyone not of their class.

 

Perhaps like you he forgot the 1953 London Agreement.

 

Keep talking Britain down it suits you.