Justin Smith 10 #937 Posted April 4, 2017 Nigel, did you not see my question ? Oh yes, this is it : Quote from the BBC website during the campaign : "They [the Leave campaign] say that because of the strength of the UK economy and the need for EU countries to continue trading freely with the UK, Britain would be in a very strong position to get a deal that exempted the UK from free movement and single market regulations while allowing free access to the single market." Can I just check, are you still saying that ? Lastly, even if one was to accept your position that giving the UK access to the single market without paying in anything or accepting free movement wouldn't mean other EU members would want the same thing, what would Switzerland and Norway think ? What would they then demand ? Or are you still saying the same (rather arrogant) thing the Leave lot said in the campaign "we`re more important than those countries", so we`ll get what we want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
NigelFargate 10 #938 Posted April 4, 2017 Nigel, did you not see my question ? yes I saw it, but did not understand the point you were making. Norway and Switzerland are de facto part members of the SEM. Their relationship with the EU goes beyond access to the SEM. They pay heavily for it, which is up to them, but I suspect that many Norwegians and Swiss think they are being heavily ripped off by the EU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Justin Smith 10 #939 Posted April 4, 2017 yes I saw it, but did not understand the point you were making. Norway and Switzerland are de facto part members of the SEM. Their relationship with the EU goes beyond access to the SEM. They pay heavily for it, which is up to them, but I suspect that many Norwegians and Swiss think they are being heavily ripped off by the EU. This bit : "They [the Leave campaign] say that because of the strength of the UK economy and the need for EU countries to continue trading freely with the UK, Britain would be in a very strong position to get a deal that exempted the UK from free movement and single market regulations while allowing free access to the single market." Can I just check, are you still saying that ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever 10 #940 Posted April 4, 2017 This bit : "They [the Leave campaign] say that because of the strength of the UK economy and the need for EU countries to continue trading freely with the UK, Britain would be in a very strong position to get a deal that exempted the UK from free movement and single market regulations while allowing free access to the single market." Can I just check, are you still saying that ? I am. Subject to substantial clarification on the phrase "free access to the single market". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga 10 #941 Posted April 4, 2017 I am. Subject to substantial clarification on the phrase "free access to the single market". What clarification are you waiting to hear? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b 441 #942 Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) Yes, and they pay heavily for it in so many ways, not just in budgetary contributions, but in a sheaf of limitations on their ability to pursue economic and other policies which would be in their best interests (e.g. to set their own tariffs and pursue their own trade deals).Platinum > gold > silver > bronze membership > look-but-don't-touch visitor > refused access. Platinum > gold > silver > bronze membership fee level > look-but-don't-touch visitor (free or nominal, say WTO MFN tariffs)> refused access (free). Do you golf? Do your golf club's rules maintain any benefits and advantages to ex-members, after they stop paying membership fees? Do your golf club's rules allow founding members to poo on the green if they want, but not lesser members? Seems to me that only the simplest of analogies seems capable of getting through your voter regret bias. Edited April 4, 2017 by L00b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever 10 #943 Posted April 4, 2017 We're well aware that you'd prefer to retain the system where we pay them billions of pounds per year so that they can sell stuff to us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga 10 #944 Posted April 4, 2017 We're well aware that you'd prefer to retain the system where we pay them billions of pounds per year so that they can sell stuff to us. Nothing preventing the UK from walking away to WTO for free right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever 10 #945 Posted April 4, 2017 Nothing preventing the UK from walking away to WTO for free right now. Why not see if they're up for something more sensible: We don't want collective government but we offer reduced (compared to WTO) trade barriers. If you agree we'll all be better off. If your pride or internal politics prevents it, then good luck to you. Simples. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b 441 #946 Posted April 4, 2017 We're well aware that you'd prefer to retain the system where we pay them billions of pounds per year so that they can sell stuff to us.How much do you think the UK is going to continue paying per year, so that they can sell stuff to the UK indeed, and reciprocally? Multiple choice answer: you can quote Hammond, Davis or the Committee MPs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chalga 10 #947 Posted April 4, 2017 Why not see if they're up for something more sensible: We don't want collective government but we offer reduced (compared to WTO) trade barriers. If you agree we'll all be better off. If your pride or internal politics prevents it, then good luck to you. Simples. Sounds to me like May promised Nissan,Sunderland, tarriff free trading,what else would have made them promise to commit to stay there?,How will they respond to having any trade barriers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
altus 514 #948 Posted April 4, 2017 Sounds to me like May promised Nissan,Sunderland, tarriff free trading,what else would have made them promise to commit to stay there?,How will they respond to having any trade barriers? Nissan have already said they'll “re-evaluate the situation” once any brexit deal is finalised. Detail at Nissan will review its Sunderland plant after Brexit, boss says. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...