Israel and the US abandon the two-state solution'

[area 51 10]

Where is palestine supposed to be i cant see it on any maps.

[unbeliever 10]

Where is palestine supposed to be i cant see it on any maps.

 

Most recently, pretty much where modern Israel is (including the "occupied" territories).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

 

Further back it's far more complicated:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

 

Pretty much the same territory as the ancient Kingdoms of Judah/Judea and Israel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah

Edited February 16, 2017 by unbeliever

[area 51 10]

Most recently, pretty much where modern Israel is (including the "occupied" territories).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

 

Further back it's far more complicated:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

 

Pretty much the ancient Kingdoms of Judah/Judea and Israel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah

 

Blimey,thats about as clear as mud,its like trying to fill out a tax return.

[unbeliever 10]

Blimey,thats about as clear as mud,its like trying to fill out a tax return.

 

Clear where Palestine notionally is, or clear who has rightful claim to the lands?

[area 51 10]

Clear where Palestine notionally is, or clear who has rightful claim to the lands?

 

Both to be honest.

[unbeliever 10]

Both to be honest.

 

And this is the first and most crucial thing to realise about the question of Israel/Palestine. That's it's complicated and messy.

[Jacktari 10]

Where is palestine supposed to be i cant see it on any maps.

 

http://www.shamrak.com/Masada2000-HistoryofPalestine.htm

 

This is supposed to be a simplification.

No wonder they are all barmy.

[The Joker 10]

The vast majority of the people from both sides are natives to the region and the Jews' historical claim is older. Not to mention the UN mandate for Palestine.

 

which jews have a claim to Palestine? Surely not the white-skinned Eastern European immigrants?

 

Do not tell me they have a claim to Palestine because that won't wash.

 

Are you actually ranting against the rights of first, second and third generation Eastern European immigrants in their current homeland? Been hanging around the the BNP or the FN have we?

 

last time I checked, the Palestinians had been living there for hundreds of years. These Eastern European immigrants, even you will admit, arrived merely decades ago.

 

It's the ancient homeland of both sides. They're pretty much all Semites.

The Palestinians have a claim to the land, but the Arabs of the surrounding nations don't. The Palestinians are more genetically related to the Israeli's than they are to the surrounding Arabs anyway.

 

the ancient homeland of Eastern Europeans in Eastern Europe.

 

Now, let us give the Palestinians their sovereignty back, and give Palestine back to the Arabs.

[unbeliever 10]

which jews have a claim to Palestine? Surely not the white-skinned Eastern European immigrants?

 

Do not tell me they have a claim to Palestine because that won't wash.

 

 

 

last time I checked, the Palestinians had been living there for hundreds of years. These Eastern European immigrants, even you will admit, arrived merely decades ago.

 

 

 

the ancient homeland of Eastern Europeans in Eastern Europe.

 

Now, let us give the Palestinians their sovereignty back, and give Palestine back to the Arabs.

 

 

Okay there's a lot wrong with this post, but I'm curious how you justify the anti-immigrant stuff. Does a second, or third generation immigrant in the UK occupy some lower status here than a 10th or 100th generation immigrant?

 

The bulk of the Israelis were born there (not all). The bulk of the Palestinians were born there (not all).

Both cultures have strong ties to the land. The Palestinians go back centuries, the Jews go back millennia.

How can you possibly pretend that one claim is obviously right and the other obviously invalid?

Edited February 16, 2017 by unbeliever

[The Joker 10]

Okay there's a lot wrong with this post, but I'm curious how you justify the anti-immigrant stuff. Does a second, or third generation immigrant in the UK occupy some lower status here than a 10th or 100th generation immigrant?

 

The bulk of the Israelis were born there (not all). The bulk of the Palestinians were born there (not all).

Both cultures have strong ties to the land. The Palestinians go back centuries, the Jews go back millennia.

How can you possibly pretend that one claim is obviously right and the other obviously invalid?

 

except the Eastern European immigrants weren't living in the Middle East thousands of years ago.

 

The Eastern European immigrants weren't living in the Middle East hundreds of years ago.

 

The Palestinians have been living in the Middle East for several hundred years.

 

Now let's give the Palestinians their sovereignty back.

[unbeliever 10]

except the Eastern European immigrants weren't living in the Middle East thousands of years ago.

 

The Eastern European immigrants weren't living in the Middle East hundreds of years ago.

 

The Palestinians have been living in the Middle East for several hundred years.

 

Now let's give the Palestinians their sovereignty back.

 

 

Many/most of the people of Israel are the descendants of those who have lived in the region for thousands of years. Thousands is more than hundreds.

 

How do you reconcile your position on the rights of Jews who's ancestors come from recent Europe, with anything resembling a progressive position on the rights of immigrants in the UK?

Edited February 16, 2017 by unbeliever

[The Joker 10]

Many/most of the people of Israel are the descendants of those who have lived in the region for thousands of years. Thousands is more than hundreds.

 

most of these Eastern European immigrants have white skin and were born in Eastern Europe.

 

Perhaps you could explain how a white-skinned Eastern European can claim thousands of years of ancestry in the Middle East where the natives have brown skin, yet remain so white, and so Eastern European.

 

Now let's give the Palestinians their sovereignty back.