Fines for parking beyond clearway signs

[silentP 10]

Its a stupidity tax

 

:hihi:and people keep on giving don't they.

[Bonjon 10]

Have to agree if you get caught out by the Hillsborough clearway signs you deserve a fine at the minimum. And if you don't know what they are maybe a refresher driving course, or sit/re-sit the theory test.

 

As for why not paint double yellows, I believe certain motorists can park on double yellows (disabled badge holder for one), but can't park on a clearway.

[Obelix 11]

Councils never, ever put in a restriction to "fool unwitting drivers"..

 

Yeah. Seen the bus gates in Nottingham and Bristol recently? It even made the news over here!

[Planner1 437]

Yeah. Seen the bus gates in Nottingham and Bristol recently? It even made the news over here!

These restrictions are always put in for traffic management reasons. They have to be. Councils can't just put them in to catch people out.

[Obelix 11]

Ah yes. The Nottingham bus gate that doesn't actually have a bus route on it....

 

With signs such that you cannot see them till after you have turned in to the restricted area.... and at half a million a year you'd think that perhaps the council would say - you know, not all drivers can be that thick maybe they are not seeing the signs....

 

But it makes a lot of money so we shall leave it as is as a cash cow.

[Bob Arctor 11]

Ah yes. The Nottingham bus gate that doesn't actually have a bus route on it....

 

With signs such that you cannot see them till after you have turned in to the restricted area.... and at half a million a year you'd think that perhaps the council would say - you know, not all drivers can be that thick maybe they are not seeing the signs....

 

But it makes a lot of money so we shall leave it as is as a cash cow.

 

Maybe if councils were adequately funded by central government they wouldn't resort to all sorts to raise essential funds. 'ave a word with Big Phil, will ya?

[Obelix 11]

What makes you think I talk to him?

[Planner1 437]

Ah yes. The Nottingham bus gate that doesn't actually have a bus route on it....

 

With signs such that you cannot see them till after you have turned in to the restricted area.... and at half a million a year you'd think that perhaps the council would say - you know, not all drivers can be that thick maybe they are not seeing the signs....

 

But it makes a lot of money so we shall leave it as is as a cash cow.

 

Bus gates don't have to be on a bus route. They can be used to restrict general traffic from going into an area, but still allow other authorised vehicles like minibues, coaches, taxis / private hire, permit holders etc. The Nottingham one appears to be used by buses going to the university.

 

Signs look pretty clear on the photos on the BBC article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-38896536

 

It appears they lost one case at adjudication where the adjudicator said the signs weren't clear, but the authority have challenged it and it's at judicial review.

 

There is always a drop off in the level of contraventions when camera enforcement is introduced, but there is usually also a level of ongoing abuse. Why that happens is a matter of conjecture as no-one has done research on it.

 

Drivers are expected to comply with prevailing restrictions and the signing associated with these restrictions is in common use across the country and has been for many years.

[silentP 10]

I'll say this. In a lot of instances there can be to much in the way of signage to read. They come in a variety of shape size and colour can be lost in the background, obscured and it only needs a minor incidence or occurrence to divert a drivers attention and they can be missed altogether. It isn't always driver error. Roads in many areas are cluttered with signs, it's overload.

Edited March 10, 2017 by silentP

[Obelix 11]

Bus gates don't have to be on a bus route. They can be used to restrict general traffic from going into an area, but still allow other authorised vehicles like minibues, coaches, taxis / private hire, permit holders etc. The Nottingham one appears to be used by buses going to the university.

 

Signs look pretty clear on the photos on the BBC article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-38896536

 

It appears they lost one case at adjudication where the adjudicator said the signs weren't clear, but the authority have challenged it and it's at judicial review.

 

There is always a drop off in the level of contraventions when camera enforcement is introduced, but there is usually also a level of ongoing abuse. Why that happens is a matter of conjecture as no-one has done research on it.

 

Drivers are expected to comply with prevailing restrictions and the signing associated with these restrictions is in common use across the country and has been for many years.

 

Well the signage they used was incorrect and they've lost a lot more than just one case at adjudication.

[Planner1 437]

Well the signage they used was incorrect and they've lost a lot more than just one case at adjudication.

 

That's your opinion, but they disagree, as it says in the article.

[Obelix 11]

That's your opinion, but they disagree, as it says in the article.

 

No it's not "my opinion" it was actually considered as fact by the magistrates who pulled the council up and chucked the case out primarily on lack of advance notice, signs not in accordance with the prescribed standard, and signs that were not sufficiently visible to the motorist as the corner was taken.

 

You need to take those wonderful rose tinted spectacles off and realise that councils do screw up and perhaps do have ulterior motives. The restrictions on Lendal Bridge in York are another prime example that springs to mind...