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i'am surprised by the "It’s actually in a poorer state than the line being used between Rotherham and Tinsley. It has more engineering challenges and would require a similar bespoke solution." the line is used at least weekly by mainline traffic so must be maintained to a high standard and as the line was used by electric locos should have the required headroom.a mainline passenger train used the line last week according to the look local rag.in view of the increased cost why not scrap the integrated approach and just build an interchange between the two systems.

 

The Rotherham Tinsley Nunnery Sheffield route has a regular daily inter city passenger service and national freight traffic. Deepcar does not and is operated as a siding. Any passenger traffic would be enthusiasts specials.

The problem with the route to Deepcar would be lack of population near to the route, destinations in Sheffield and slower journey times as compared to current provision.

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One reason for delay / over budget is a bridge that's had to be raised so the power cables for the tram can go under it.

 

Sorry - but surely someone should have spotted that?

Might have had the abridged version.

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The Rotherham Tinsley Nunnery Sheffield route has a regular daily inter city passenger service and national freight traffic. Deepcar does not and is operated as a siding. Any passenger traffic would be enthusiasts specials.

The problem with the route to Deepcar would be lack of population near to the route, destinations in Sheffield and slower journey times as compared to current provision.

 

the route would finish in fox valley dead in the middle of Stocksbridge and a proposed journey time of eleven minutes to sheffield it can take over one hour on the bus 57 route

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the route would finish in fox valley dead in the middle of Stocksbridge and a proposed journey time of eleven minutes to sheffield it can take over one hour on the bus 57 route

 

The Network Rail line ends at Deepcar.

The distance from Fox Valley to Cathedral or Sheffield Station via Nunnery is 11 miles by Tram Train or conventional heavy rail.

A journey time of 11 minutes including five to eight stops and a reversal would require top speeds exceeding 90 mph- not possible.

The 57 bus is goes via Worrall half hourly so is not comparable.

A comparison should be made with the SL1(a) and supertram which not only provides more destinations but passes through much larger populations.

 

If a great deal of money was spent then it would be possible to provide a route that would include Wharncliffe and Oughtibridge and connect across the river to Middlewood and into the Supertram. Residents of these villages and Deepcar and Stocksbridge would still mostly have to negotiate the steep hills partly served by the current bus/tram system.

 

What is the source for the 11 minute journey time?

 

That there is no demand for this "express" service is evidenced by the lack of non or limited stop bus service at present.

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The Network Rail line ends at Deepcar.

The distance from Fox Valley to Cathedral or Sheffield Station via Nunnery is 11 miles by Tram Train or conventional heavy rail.

A journey time of 11 minutes including five to eight stops and a reversal would require top speeds exceeding 90 mph- not possible.

The 57 bus is goes via Worrall half hourly so is not comparable.

A comparison should be made with the SL1(a) and supertram which not only provides more destinations but passes through much larger populations.

 

If a great deal of money was spent then it would be possible to provide a route that would include Wharncliffe and Oughtibridge and connect across the river to Middlewood and into the Supertram. Residents of these villages and Deepcar and Stocksbridge would still mostly have to negotiate the steep hills partly served by the current bus/tram system.

 

What is the source for the 11 minute journey time?

 

That there is no demand for this "express" service is evidenced by the lack of non or limited stop bus service at present.

 

http://donvalleyrailway.org/

 

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That there is no demand for this "express" service is evidenced by the lack of non or limited stop bus service at present.

 

an express service would still be limited by other traffic, so pointless at busy times.

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http://donvalleyrailway.org/

 

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That there is no demand for this "express" service is evidenced by the lack of non or limited stop bus service at present.

 

an express service would still be limited by other traffic, so pointless at busy times.

 

The once busy and frequent direct services were undermined by the tram feeder services to the degree that First pulled them off during the first stages of the Sheffield bus partnership leaving them for Stagecoach to pick up. Having set out to undermine the service they were then put in the difficult position of having to make it pay. This was done by making it much less frequent and tying some trips in with the tram. Having gone through all this and given the favour shown to Stagecoach by SYPTE there is no way the tram train would go to Stocksbridge and possibly harm a Stagecoach monopoly. Especially when there is a First Monopoly there to be duplicated.

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---------- Post added 05-07-2017 at 21:41 ----------

 

That there is no demand for this "express" service is evidenced by the lack of non or limited stop bus service at present.

 

an express service would still be limited by other traffic, so pointless at busy times.

 

The " ...proposed journey time of eleven minutes to sheffield..." refers to a non stop journey from Deepcar to Sheffield Victoria at 30 minute intervals.

Add on the waiting time, journey times to/from Deepcar.

What happens at Victoria?

Walk down the steps to a bus stop.

Walk down the ramp and up to the town centre.

Walk to Nunnery Square P&R.

 

The report refers to the negative impact on local bus services and therefore other communities in the valley. The usage data (2006) predates the tram feeder services.

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If a great deal of money was spent then it would be possible to provide a route that would include Wharncliffe and Oughtibridge

 

I always find it amusing that Oughtibridge had a train station on the Woodhead line, but re-using those same tracks for a tram and suddenly the line isn't close enough and Oughtibridge isn't going to be served???

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I always find it amusing that Oughtibridge had a train station on the Woodhead line, but re-using those same tracks for a tram and suddenly the line isn't close enough and Oughtibridge isn't going to be served???

 

The route between Manchester and Sheffield.

Proximity to settlements, industry and resources when the only realistic speedy movement of goods and people led to many secondary stations along main routes- such as Oughty Bridge station and very often a great distance from the original settlement.

 

Mainline stations attract a different customer to that of a tram or bus route.

 

Oughty Bridge station was never close enough. Its closure nearly 60 years ago might indicate the usage of the infrequent services was insignificant even before the Beeching report. The site of the station will not attract new customers or will it move people from the current bus service. Unless a huge Park and Ride scheme was built.

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Unless a huge Park and Ride scheme was built.

...which would reduce car usage hugely.

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The route between Manchester and Sheffield.

Proximity to settlements, industry and resources when the only realistic speedy movement of goods and people led to many secondary stations along main routes- such as Oughty Bridge station and very often a great distance from the original settlement.

 

Mainline stations attract a different customer to that of a tram or bus route.

 

Oughty Bridge station was never close enough. Its closure nearly 60 years ago might indicate the usage of the infrequent services was insignificant even before the Beeching report. The site of the station will not attract new customers or will it move people from the current bus service. Unless a huge Park and Ride scheme was built.

 

if you were to visit the quaintly old fashioned named oughty bridge station you will find two fairly modern housing estates within easy flatish walking distance and plenty of room to construct a park n ride or just a car park.

 

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deepcar to chesterfield 2017

 

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Oughty Bridge station was never close enough. Its closure nearly 60 years ago might indicate the usage of the infrequent services was insignificant even before the Beeching report. The site of the station will not attract new customers or will it move people from the current bus service. Unless a huge Park and Ride scheme was built.

 

Is there an actual figure of how close a station should be??

 

The position is obviously not great, but still it's what 500m from the centre of Oughtibridge?

Is half a km too much??

 

Taking into consideration the topography of the area it's not likely you could move the train line any further, so is a short walk really a killer for a station in Oughtibridge?

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