Tram Trains thread

[choogling 14]

Good to hear Stocksbridge getting a mention from clive betts on look north tonight, we have a perfectly good railway line all the way into the new fox valley shopping centre.The line is up to mainline standard and as so would be comparatively cheap to set up as a train/tram line.

[Phili Buster 10]

400% over budget, who does the estimating for these projects.

 

 

 

Diane Abbott

[Guest busdriver1]

Good to hear Stocksbridge getting a mention from clive betts on look north tonight, we have a perfectly good railway line all the way into the new fox valley shopping centre.The line is up to mainline standard and as so would be comparatively cheap to set up as a train/tram line.

 

way beyond the limited imagination of the powers that be..

[Guest makapaka]

way beyond the limited imagination of the powers that be..

 

That would be a great idea wouldn't it?

[hackey lad 3,949]

I have been told that the surveyor was a Mr S Wonder

 

sorry ,your wrong, it was a Mr D Blunkett

[Guest busdriver1]

That would be a great idea wouldn't it?

 

Would be much better suited and as a bonus would actually serve a need.

There you have it, thats why it wasnt done.

[choogling 14]

cant be bothered to list all the obvious benefits the rail/tram would bring to Stocksbridge its all in here.

http://donvalleyrailway.org/

the web site needs updating it seems to have run out of steam,no pun intended.

Edited July 4, 2017 by choogling

[Hook 10]

Good to hear Stocksbridge getting a mention from clive betts on look north tonight, we have a perfectly good railway line all the way into the new fox valley shopping centre.The line is up to mainline standard and as so would be comparatively cheap to set up as a train/tram line.

 

It’s actually in a poorer state than the line being used between Rotherham and Tinsley. It has more engineering challenges and would require a similar bespoke solution. However hopefully lessons learned from our current trial should reduce costs in any further TT expansion plans.

 

Network Rail have dragged their heels from the very beginning during this project, they’ve repeatedly changed staff on the project team, they’ve delayed plans, cancelled meetings, pushed deadlines back and refused to communicate with other stakeholders. A cynic would suggest that they don’t want light rail mixing with heavy rail incase it infringes on their fiefdom.

 

They are entirely to blame for the cost overruns on the project (although the original £15m budget was plucked out of thin air).

 

Of course the NAO report does not include any other costs associated with the scheme, such as the costs of the vehicles (SYPTE), staffing, Supertram infrastructure changes, depot upgrades, compensation to Stagecoach due to delays etc. All this has also been funded by the DfT.

[bus man 10]

One wonders how big the overspend would be if the original plan to use the Penistone line had been used for the trial instead.

[gazza c 10]

It’s actually in a poorer state than the line being used between Rotherham and Tinsley. It has more engineering challenges and would require a similar bespoke solution. However hopefully lessons learned from our current trial should reduce costs in any further TT expansion plans.

 

Network Rail have dragged their heels from the very beginning during this project, they’ve repeatedly changed staff on the project team, they’ve delayed plans, cancelled meetings, pushed deadlines back and refused to communicate with other stakeholders. A cynic would suggest that they don’t want light rail mixing with heavy rail incase it infringes on their fiefdom.

 

They are entirely to blame for the cost overruns on the project (although the original £15m budget was plucked out of thin air).

 

Of course the NAO report does not include any other costs associated with the scheme, such as the costs of the vehicles (SYPTE), staffing, Supertram infrastructure changes, depot upgrades, compensation to Stagecoach due to delays etc. All this has also been funded by the DfT.

 

as always no one is ever held accountable when these ill thought out schemes go over budget, its not their money they are spending, its the taxpayers. I know if I had a company and someone turned round an said we are millions over budget on a job we quoted, I would say u know where the door is

[choogling 14]

It’s actually in a poorer state than the line being used between Rotherham and Tinsley. It has more engineering challenges and would require a similar bespoke solution. However hopefully lessons learned from our current trial should reduce costs in any further TT expansion plans.

 

Network Rail have dragged their heels from the very beginning during this project, they’ve repeatedly changed staff on the project team, they’ve delayed plans, cancelled meetings, pushed deadlines back and refused to communicate with other stakeholders. A cynic would suggest that they don’t want light rail mixing with heavy rail incase it infringes on their fiefdom.

 

They are entirely to blame for the cost overruns on the project (although the original £15m budget was plucked out of thin air).

 

Of course the NAO report does not include any other costs associated with the scheme, such as the costs of the vehicles (SYPTE), staffing, Supertram infrastructure changes, depot upgrades, compensation to Stagecoach due to delays etc. All this has also been funded by the DfT.

 

i'am surprised by the "It’s actually in a poorer state than the line being used between Rotherham and Tinsley. It has more engineering challenges and would require a similar bespoke solution." the line is used at least weekly by mainline traffic so must be maintained to a high standard and as the line was used by electric locos should have the required headroom.a mainline passenger train used the line last week according to the look local rag.in view of the increased cost why not scrap the integrated approach and just build an interchange between the two systems.

Edited July 5, 2017 by choogling

[smiggs 10]

UK has many abandoned railway lines. It has an historical habbit of going to far with them.

One day the financial bubble is going to burst again, HS2 and other over budget toy project will help to move towards that.

 

You clearly have little respect for hard working nurses who are getting less and less due to stagnant wages. The tram is not going to save your life when you get ill and need nhs treatment.

 

One off capital investments do not come out of the same budgets as wages for NHS workers and there's no reason why we can't have both. I'm sure the nurses will benefit from expansion of our public transport infrastructure, at junior levels their wages unfortunately are quite low so to keep their costs down they may rely on public transport to get around.