unbeliever   10 #289 Posted April 8, 2017 That's a cop out. If you won't say what's right, why should we listen to complaints that things are wrong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jacktari   10 #290 Posted April 8, 2017 That's a cop out. If you won't say what's right, why should we listen to complaints that things are wrong?  I advocate the use of force to prevent genocide, and to remove dictators from their positions, and to defend my country. I further advocate it to protect my fellow countrymen's interests abroad if necessary. What I do not advocate is lying, cheating politician's sending our armed forces (arguably the best in the world, bar none) to risk their lives by dealing death to people who do not deserve it, purely to improve their own poll ratings.  I am a true patriot, not a fluffy pinkoe, or a stinking tory. I trust that clarifies matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #291 Posted April 8, 2017 I advocate the use of force to prevent genocide, and to remove dictators from their positions, and to defend my country. I further advocate it to protect my fellow countrymen's interests abroad if necessary. What I do not advocate is lying, cheating politician's sending our armed forces (arguably the best in the world, bar none) to risk their lives by dealing death to people who do not deserve it, purely to improve their own poll ratings.  I am a true patriot, not a fluffy pinkoe, or a stinking tory. I trust that clarifies matters.  So you don't have a problem with the Falklands response then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jacktari   10 #292 Posted April 8, 2017 So you don't have a problem with the Falklands response then.  Yes I do. it was unnecessary, and only done to bolster the traitor Thatcher's lust for power. Sending the best soldiers in the world to wipe the floor up with a bunch of rag-tag conscripts was out of order.  Anyway, you are taking this off topic. the thread is about what prospects are there for the lunatic incumbent in the post of POTUS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #293 Posted April 8, 2017 Yes I do. it was unnecessary, and only done to bolster the traitor Thatcher's lust for power. Sending the best soldiers in the world to wipe the floor up with a bunch of rag-tag conscripts was out of order.  Anyway, you are taking this off topic. the thread is about what prospects are there for the lunatic incumbent in the post of POTUS.  I doubt that the people of the Falklands thought it unnecessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
glennpickard   10 #294 Posted April 8, 2017 I weigh in heavily on the side of HM government relative to the Falklands. You cannot invade another sovereign territory just because you have "Lodged a territorial claim." This is a Putin M.O.  Yes it may have helped Mrs.T. in the polls with the timing, but that is a secondary issue relative to the 3,500 Falkland Islanders who wanted the Argentinian invaders out of their land. Keep in mind the Galtieri totalitarian government that was in Argentina at the time.  The Tomahawk attack in Syria may have helped Trump in the polls, but nevertheless a reaction was necessary and required quickly, to Assad's murdering of civilians with gas bombing attacks. To date this is about the only action he has done that I agree with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #295 Posted April 8, 2017 I weigh in heavily on the side of HM government relative to the Falklands. You cannot invade another sovereign territory just because you have "Lodged a territorial claim." This is a Putin M.O. Yes it may have helped Mrs.T. in the polls with the timing, but that is a secondary issue relative to the 3,500 Falkland Islanders who wanted the Argentinian invaders out of their land. Keep in mind the Galtieri totalitarian government that was in Argentina at the time.  The Tomahawk attack in Syria may have helped Trump in the polls, but nevertheless a reaction was necessary and required quickly, to Assad's murdering of civilians with gas bombing attacks. To date this is about the only action he has done that I agree with.  A very sage post if I may say so. It's also worth adding that Thatchers recovery in the polls preceded the Falklands issue a little as I tend to put it more down to her finding her feet on economic policy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
blake   10 #296 Posted April 11, 2017 There weren't 3500 Falkland Islands inhabitants in 1982. That's the population now. Back then, it was about 1800 and decreasing each year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #297 Posted April 11, 2017 <...> The Tomahawk attack in Syria may have helped Trump in the polls, but nevertheless a reaction was necessary and required quickly, to Assad's murdering of civilians with gas bombing attacks. <...>So long as it is eventually proven that Assad is guilty as charged, no problem...but what if he isn't? Putin is sufficiently adept at realpolitik to sacrifice Assad's assets for his own ends, e.g. gauging Trump's resolve and that of others, if not still more nefarious ends (such as e.g. engineering a 'vortex' conflict in the ME with a view to deplete NATO's current northern deployment, all the better if lil'Kim in NK continues to agitate for fixing US pacific forces in place).  You can be sure that someone somewhere (US, Israel, Turkey...) knows what kind of airframe(s) was or were up near there at the time the explosions occurred, and at least the vector they came from and left towards, from which to infer which country's it was with reasonable certainty.  The public is just being mushroomed as usual, but that can be as much down to legitimate intelligence purposes (to avoid revealing source/gathering method), as to political purposes.  Now, granted, doing nothing is a just as much of a decision as doing something. But what if Trump's something is simply realpolitik play (into Putin's hands) rather than justifiable redress? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Justin Smith   10 #298 Posted April 11, 2017 A very sage post if I may say so. It's also worth adding that Thatchers recovery in the polls preceded the Falklands issue a little as I tend to put it more down to her finding her feet on economic policy.  Er no. It was the Falklands and the fact that Labour had Michael Foot in charge at the time. An error they`re making again, not with Michael Foot obviously, but you all know what I mean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
glennpickard   10 #299 Posted April 11, 2017 L00b, you ask "what if Assad is not guilty ?" Assad has a history of killing his own people. The Homs Tomahawk strike was a "Pay attention" warning and took out 50% of his airworthy aircraft I believe, which is a positive.  US military satellites had probably tracked the intruders giving a time & track, but we will never know for absolute certain. For the record, the Pentagon states that it is beyond doubt where the aircraft came from.  So for me the Homs strike puts both the Russians and Syrians on notice that they should now tread very carefully going forward with indiscriminate attacks  The news reports I see indicate ISIS and other 3rd party rebel groups did not have and cannot store Sarin gas. Syria can and does, and has probably lied about destroying it all in 2013. So I believe all the signs point to Assad's guilt.  Did Putin know about the attack is a more important question ? He appears to be heavily involved in the "Cover up" story, which is not a good sign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Vague_Boy   10 #300 Posted April 14, 2017 Will Trump last his full presidential term ?  Will he last out the month?  China says North Korea tension has to be stopped from reaching 'irreversible' stage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...