Failing NHS caused by the Tories?

[El Cid 214]

An MP has told how his father "died in my arms" after being sent home due to a shortage of hospital beds.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-38590113

 

Nurses say conditions in the NHS are the worst they have experienced, the Royal College of Nursing has said.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38570177

 

Record numbers of patients are facing long waits in A&Es as documents leaked to the BBC show the full extent of the winter crisis in the NHS in England.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38570960

 

I expect the usual suspect will say the Tories are doing ok and its just the media, sack Hunt for a start, and then May should resign.

 

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The UK is devoting a diminishing proportion of GDP in health and is now a lowly 13th out of the original 15 EU members in terms of investment.

 

The UK spent 8.5% of its GDP on healthcare in 2013, lagging behind Greece, Italy and Slovenia

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/20/nhs-funding-falling-behind-european-neighbours-kings-fund-research

Edited January 12, 2017 by El Cid

[Bonzo77 13]

Other than reecently, when was the last time that doctors went on strike??

 

Hunt has been employed to dismantle and sell off the NHS. We can see it happening before our eyes!

[Bob Arctor 11]

There are too many serious failings happening at once in the NHS for it to be a coincidence. There are demographic pressures on the NHS that would make it challenging to manage over time but for so much to go so wrong in such a short time can only indicate mismanagement. One of the biggest problems is the lack of social care services to allow people to be discharged promptly and that is clearly the result of massive cuts to council budgets made by the Tories.

[1bigbhudda 10]

An MP has told how his father "died in my arms" after being sent home due to a shortage of hospital beds.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-38590113

 

Nurses say conditions in the NHS are the worst they have experienced, the Royal College of Nursing has said.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38570177

 

Record numbers of patients are facing long waits in A&Es as documents leaked to the BBC show the full extent of the winter crisis in the NHS in England.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38570960

 

I expect the usual suspect will say the Tories are doing ok and its just the media, sack Hunt for a start, and then May should resign.

 

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The UK is devoting a diminishing proportion of GDP in health and is now a lowly 13th out of the original 15 EU members in terms of investment.

 

The UK spent 8.5% of its GDP on healthcare in 2013, lagging behind Greece, Italy and Slovenia

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/20/nhs-funding-falling-behind-european-neighbours-kings-fund-research

 

its not rocket science is it really to work out why the NHS is failing?

it was never designed for the disproportionate number of people wanting to use it:roll:

[Bob Arctor 11]

its not rocket science is it really to work out why the NHS is failing?

it was never designed for the disproportionate number of people wanting to use it:roll:

 

This is an overly simplistic view. A good health system keeps people out of hospitals where possible and this relies on providing good services away from hospitals and services that prevent the need for admissions. If a government makes massive cuts to those services then it can expect an influx of people going to hospital. And this is exactly what the Tories have done by slashing council funding in half - councils are probably the biggest providers of services that keep people out of hospital. The Tory-led Local Government Association have been saying for at least the past three years that a large amount of money needs to be given to councils so that they can restore some of the social care provision that has been lost. Central government has consistently ignored them and now we have overcrowded hospitals and cold weather coming up.

[1bigbhudda 10]

This is an overly simplistic view. A good health system keeps people out of hospitals where possible and this relies on providing good services away from hospitals and services that prevent the need for admissions. If a government makes massive cuts to those services then it can expect an influx of people going to hospital. And this is exactly what the Tories have done by slashing council funding in half - councils are probably the biggest providers of services that keep people out of hospital. The Tory-led Local Government Association have been saying for at least the past three years that a large amount of money needs to be given to councils so that they can restore some of the social care provision that has been lost. Central government has consistently ignored them and now we have overcrowded hospitals and cold weather coming up.

 

what a load of tosh! it was only yesterday that it was reported that people use A&E like a doctors surgery because they cant get appointments as the doctors books are full, we have had a massive influx in the past 20 or so years from foreign countries bringing their problems, still we have people from abroad abusing our system. the NHS would be in surplus if we only treated people that actually paid for its services. as for it being all the Tories fault

[Cyclone 10]

its not rocket science is it really to work out why the NHS is failing?

it was never designed for the disproportionate number of people wanting to use it:roll:

 

It's been defunded so that it can't cope with the slightly increased numbers using it.

 

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The doctors surgeries are full because nobody wants to be a GP anymore and elderly GPs (and even not so elderly) are retiring and/or leaving the profession after the government has spent several years attacking them.

[unbeliever 10]

It's been defunded so that it can't cope with the slightly increased numbers using it.

 

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The doctors surgeries are full because nobody wants to be a GP anymore and elderly GPs (and even not so elderly) are retiring and/or leaving the profession after the government has spent several years attacking them.

 

Can you back up this "defunded" claim? All the figures I've seen show a substantial increase in NHS spending (spun to sound like an even larger increase I know).

As for the GP's they do extremely well financially and I have no idea where you get the notion that they're hard done by.

[Mister M 1,609]

its not rocket science is it really to work out why the NHS is failing?

it was never designed for the disproportionate number of people wanting to use it:roll:

 

Nothing to do with funding or poor organisation?

Next people will be blaming the sick for being ill and using the NHS. Much like the unemployed being blamed for no work....People can't resist it.

[Berberis 10]

The wealth of evidence would seem to point towards the problems in the NHS are being compounded by Tory cuts, but lets not forget the cuts are happening due to Labour over spending. This is then multiplied by the ever increasing costs on a service that is providing more than it was ever envisaged to provide. Giving breast implants to women who have had mastectomies, while being something that may help the woman in questions appearance, is not "health" related and should not be available routinely on the NHS in my opinion. There are other areas that should be looked into for reduction so that front line services are not effected and/or can be invested in for the future.

 

While I do believe there is a correlation between a Tory government and increasing waiting times etc in the NHS. Do not be fooled by left wing press organisations who want nothing more then to impose their agenda on its readership.

 

I'm suspicious that by underfunding the NHS, the current government is allowing it to get to a state where they can claim the private sector is going to fix the problems and slip in privatisation to some measure.

[Robin-H 11]

It's been defunded so that it can't cope with the slightly increased numbers using it.

 

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The doctors surgeries are full because nobody wants to be a GP anymore and elderly GPs (and even not so elderly) are retiring and/or leaving the profession after the government has spent several years attacking them.

 

Why does no one want to be a GP anymore? They get paid extremely well, and thanks to the disastrous contract that Labour signed in 2004, they don't even have to do evening or weekend work, which lead to an increase in people using A&E.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6314301.stm

[Mister M 1,609]

The wealth of evidence would seem to point towards the problems in the NHS are being compounded by Tory cuts, but lets not forget the cuts are happening due to Labour over spending. This is then multiplied by the ever increasing costs on a service that is providing more than it was ever envisaged to provide. Giving breast implants to women who have had mastectomies, while being something that may help the woman in questions appearance, is not "health" related and should not be available routinely on the NHS in my opinion. There are other areas that should be looked into for reduction so that front line services are not effected and/or can be invested in for the future.

 

While I do believe there is a correlation between a Tory government and increasing waiting times etc in the NHS. Do not be fooled by left wing press organisations who want nothing more then to impose their agenda on its readership.

Or right wing press organisations who want nothing more then to impose their agenda on its readership.