Tim Farron - the next truely great Prime Minister?

[tzijlstra 11]

I dont believe in god.Im praying for nothing i am just watching the political polls and feeling in the west among voters.Have you learnt nothing from Brexit and Trump winning.

 

Perhaps he has learned about the past.

[unbeliever 10]

Perhaps he has learned about the past.

 

Quite.

 

I dont believe in god.Im praying for nothing i am just watching the political polls and feeling in the west among voters.Have you learnt nothing from Brexit and Trump winning.

 

What is it about the world that you want to change?

People who complain about globalisation are usually, in my experience, distressed by the fact that the world changes so rapidly these days and they want a revolution in order to force the world into a stable configuration. The layers of irony there are too numerous to count.

There's all too much unfocused change logic running around which is why Labour chose Corbyn to lead them twice and the USA chose Trump for their president, both on what amount to anti-globalisation, even though they could hardly be more different.

Anybody who voted for Brexit to stop globalisation wasn't paying attention and is going to be sorely disappointed. I don't think there can be many, but maybe I'm wrong.

It's all got this feeling of that old "Yes Minister" idiot logic:

"Something must be done. This is something, therefore we must do it."

 

Again. What is it, specifically, about the way the world works now that you would like to change?

[area 51 10]

Perhaps he has learned about the past.

 

Then perhaps the world has learnt nothing.They should have looked as to why the Nazi party gained power in Germany,the economy was wrecked and yet again it was the working class who were suffering and no party was willing to help them so they grabbed the hand of the one person who said he could help them.The moral here is to make sure that the working class get a reasonable life if you want them to obey you.Wether you agree with it or not that is were we are heading.Globalisation has let the working class down with only the rich benefitting and the very poor in the world in developing countries.

[unbeliever 10]

Then perhaps the world has learnt nothing.They should have looked as to why the Nazi party gained power in Germany,the economy was wrecked and yet again it was the working class who were suffering and no party was willing to help them so they grabbed the hand of the one person who said he could help them.The moral here is to make sure that the working class get a reasonable life if you want them to obey you.Wether you agree with it or not that is were we are heading.Globalisation has let the working class down with only the rich benefitting and the very poor in the world in developing countries.

 

Globalisation makes everything cheaper and everybody richer.

Now there is a problem with what's often called "old economy" jobs. As international trade is liberalised, it may no longer be economic for developed nations to do all the same things they used to and that can be disruptive.

But the benefits massively outweigh these issues and the solution to almost every conceivable problem that globalisation throws up is training.

No work making Steel, learn something else. I often think that governments should help more with retraining, of course they do to an extent but it never seems like enough.

But you really shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Demand of your government not an end to the globalisation which scares you, but the support you need to thrive in the new environment it creates. It's serves the greater good, and you deserve your share, but do stop trying to deny everybody else their share just because you don't feel like you're getting yours.

[area 51 10]

Globalisation makes everything cheaper and everybody richer.

Now there is a problem with what's often called "old economy" jobs. As international trade is liberalised, it may no longer be economic for developed nations to do all the same things they used to and that can be disruptive.

But the benefits massively outweigh these issues and the solution to almost every conceivable problem that globalisation throws up is training.

No work making Steel, learn something else. I often think that governments should help more with retraining, of course they do to an extent but it never seems like enough.

But you really shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Demand of your government not an end to the globalisation which scares you, but the support you need to thrive in the new environment it creates. It's serves the greater good, and you deserve your share, but do stop trying to deny everybody else their share just because you don't feel like you're getting yours.

 

Why should i care about others who do not care about me.I have a vote and i can use it in whichever way i like,you might not like it but thats democracy.If you had to work in a thankless service job where you get abuse from the great british public for long hours and rubbish wages when you earned more in the eighties you would be unhappy as well.Tough, i couldnt care less about you and how brexit might affect your life and why should i care?

[unbeliever 10]

Why should i care about others who do not care about me.I have a vote and i can use it in whichever way i like,you might not like it but thats democracy.If you had to work in a thankless service job where you get abuse from the great british public for long hours and rubbish wages when you earned more in the eighties you would be unhappy as well.Tough, i couldnt care less about you and how brexit might affect your life and why should i care?

 

I voted for Brexit.

I just didn't think it was a vote against globalisation.

Of course you can vote how you like. I do apologise if I gave another impression.

 

Honestly have you looked at what training is available?

I know a chap who spent the '80s and '90s as a builder and the 00's and 10's as a researcher in experimental particle physics on the experiment which found the Higgs Boson.

I do think there's a lot you can do to more effectively better your lot than blaming it all on the liberalisation of international trade. Even if you managed to get '80s protectionism back into world trade, I'm 99% certain you'd be worse off than you are now.

[BHRemovals 10]

in ten years time we will be a third world country and probabley wont have the vote.

[Harrystottle 10]

Globalisation makes everything cheaper and everybody richer

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Oh really? I'm calling <removed> on that. Average wage on the Port Talbot steelworks, £30,000. Average wage in the distribution warehouses nearby, £14-15,000.

Globalisation makes everybody richer? Why do we have a gig economy, no job security, worse working conditions and massively increased inequality in society, if globalisation is making everybody richer?

Edited November 30, 2016 by nikki-red
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[area 51 10]

I voted for Brexit.

I just didn't think it was a vote against globalisation.

Of course you can vote how you like. I do apologise if I gave another impression.

 

Honestly have you looked at what training is available?

I know a chap who spent the '80s and '90s as a builder and the 00's and 10's as a researcher in experimental particle physics on the experiment which found the Higgs Boson.

I do think there's a lot you can do to more effectively better your lot than blaming it all on the liberalisation of international trade. Even if you managed to get '80s protectionism back into world trade, I'm 99% certain you'd be worse off than you are now.

I appreciate what your saying but i am running out of time to retrain for another career i only have fifteen years left till retirement.And thats the problem, i am making no money on the money i made in the eighties because of the non existent interest i am getting for the money i have loaned the banks.I have paid my dues and paid my mortgage and made all the savings and investments that i was urged to do ,so that i would have a good retirement.I should have been retiring in a few years time or so i was told when i made all these investments and pension payments.I put the blame on globalisation and it is to blame.My retirement may not happen and i am angry about this.I think we all voted for brexit for different reasons.All my hopes and dreams that i had in the eighties have disappeared down the drain.Even worse i read today that there are muffins in this country who are still getting themselves into more and more debt and still i get no interest back my way.They should put up the interest rates to stop these idiots putting the economy at risk again and at least i would make some money out of them.

 

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Oh really? I'm calling <removed> on that. Average wage on the Port Talbot steelworks, £30,000. Average wage in the distribution warehouses nearby, £14-15,000.

Globalisation makes everybody richer? Why do we have a gig economy, no job security, worse working conditions and massively increased inequality in society, if globalisation is making everybody richer?

 

Exactly,but they shouldnt be bitter apparently.

Edited November 30, 2016 by area 51

[El Cid 219]

There's all too much unfocused change logic running around which is why Labour chose Corbyn to lead them twice

 

I thought Corbyn was a international socialist, believing in immigration, so not an isolationist.

[mikem8634 10]

Out of interest, when do people think the push towards globalisation started?

 

Is there a name for the opposite of globalisation? It can't be nationalisation. Isolation?

 

I have an entirely unfounded suspicion that a fair few votes have been cast by people who oppose globalisation but are very happy with the prices at Primark and the average cost of a Chinese TV, and have been so for years. All the while UK jobs have been increasingly outsourced and off-shored. So, those of you who are disgruntled/angry/disillusioned with globalisation, would you be willing to pay more for products that were manufactured in the UK (if that were actually possible)?

[El Cid 219]

I have an entirely unfounded suspicion that a fair few votes have been cast by people who oppose globalisation but are very happy with the prices at Primark and the average cost of a Chinese TV, and have been so for years. All the while UK jobs have been increasingly outsourced and off-shored. So, those of you who are disgruntled/angry/disillusioned with globalisation, would you be willing to pay more for products that were manufactured in the UK (if that were actually possible)?

 

It used to be the case, that you knew where something was made because it said so on the packaging.

People used to favour British goods, they still do. Would they sell 'English' butter, if it did not sell well?

Yorkshire Bank and Building Society, they trade on their name because it works, we do like British and local.

Its impossible to know when you are buying a British car ....