Prison officer strike! your thoughts??

[Bob Arctor 11]

How many end up on the streets?

I,m all for helping our guys as much as possible but not the smackheads who rob pensioners for their fixes.

 

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=more mental illness.

 

Crisis think 1 in 10 rough sleepers are ex-forces. So in the UK we lock up people with mental health problems or leave them to sleep rough. Then the right wing tell us all that it's all their own fault anyway, and not to worry about the tax dodgers who are taking money away from the services that could be providing the care and support they need.

[Halibut 12]

In my experience ex service personal are more likely to be critisied and abused by lefties. Didn't the EDL a right wing group set up to defend our troops from abuse and criticism, get constant abuse from the left.

 

The EDL continued to abuse Lee Rigby's memory by associating him with their racist crap despite being asked to by his mother. That tells you all you need to know about the EDL's attitude to servicemen.

[ukdobby 223]

Crisis think 1 in 10 rough sleepers are ex-forces. So in the UK we lock up people with mental health problems or leave them to sleep rough. Then the right wing tell us all that it's all their own fault anyway, and not to worry about the tax dodgers who are taking money away from the services that could be providing the care and support they need.

 

Think?so we are guessing.

[Bob Arctor 11]

Think?so we are guessing.

 

Oh come on, because they can't put an exact percentage on it because no-one knows exactly how many rough sleepers there are and it changes every day, it's not an issue? That's called finding ways to ignore what you don't want to hear. There is a difference between an estimate (based on what we know) and a guess (plucking a figure out of thin air).

[Petminder 10]

The EDL continued to abuse Lee Rigby's memory by associating him with their racist crap despite being asked to by his mother. That tells you all you need to know about the EDL's attitude to servicemen.

 

See what I mean, the right verbally attack the people that attacked our soldiers and the left attack the right for doing so.

[ukdobby 223]

Oh come on, because they can't put an exact percentage on it because no-one knows exactly how many rough sleepers there are and it changes every day, it's not an issue? That's called finding ways to ignore what you don't want to hear. There is a difference between an estimate (based on what we know) and a guess (plucking a figure out of thin air).

 

Ok,we agree and more help should be given to ex servicemen but is prison not as nice a place to be as we are led to believe by the people who've been there.

[pmurtdlanod1 10]

oh give over

 

always twisting things to suit your warped agenda

 

 

 

 

 

its nothing to do with being pc and softly softly, its to do with over crowded victorian prisons and a lack of staff (which is down to cuts, like quoted above)

 

not twisting anything, the nanny state and overcrowding has caused the problems, the facilities prisoners have are far too good and the money spent on rehab should be spent on officers and security, the vast majority will re-offend anyway so make it as hard as possible inside.

 

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We should deport the 10% that aren't British, that should go some way to making life a little easier for our prison officers.

 

totally agree and i bet its more than 10% if you include the Jihadi types:loopy:

 

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What is your insanely hard job pmurtdlanod1? It must be absolutely hell for you to say that prison officers who have one of the <removed> jobs in the country for the <removed> pay have it easy.

 

where did i say that?? i have never said its easy but hey they made the choice?

my hard job well i work for myself, its not easy but i made the choice and i get the rewards i dont whinge when life gets tough:roll:

[pretty_big 10]

really??? prison officers wanting to strike because its a little dangerous and not very nice dealing with criminals???? well what did you expect?

what should happen to make it safer in prisons is that all visiting is behind a glass screen with a phone like the USA, any new inmates subjected to detailed searches before entry to the main prison, wire mesh screens above prison yards and hey presto no drugs, shanks or mobile phones.

segregation of likely groups to cause trouble job done!

 

I feel sorry for the guards it's a tough job made worse YET AGAIN by lefties wanting to give prisoners human rights, laughable really prison should be as harsh as possible, a typical cell should have a thin mattress one pillow and basic toilet with a basic sink. See how many want to go back and commit crime after that, prisoners should be made to work very hard doing whatever menial packing/sowing jobs etc that charities and growing business out their way and the hardest workers get minimal privileges such as crisps,chocolate and pop. When they get out they'll appreciate the outside world even more and not want to go back in.

[pmurtdlanod1 10]

I'm not sore at all; I'm looking forward to an extra £350million a week investment in our NHS

 

yep still sore:hihi: when will you give over with that old chestnut?? oh yes you wont because its an easy cop out:roll:

 

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Because the US prison system is well known for its safety and record of reoffending.

 

most are way more secure than ours, check out the one in Arizona desert i think, basically a tent village, no comforts and no second chances.

 

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What a staggeringly naive post.

 

didnt think it would be long before you came along, do you want to wrap prisoners up in cotton wool and let them smoke weed?? thats why prisons are underfunded the do gooders spend all the money that should be spent on security and officers.

[sgtkate 10]

10,649 foreigners in UK prisons.

 

Ok, let me see if I can find out a good estimate of UK criminals overseas...wish me luck...

 

Wasn't actually that hard, as of 2015 there were 2005 as reported by UK embassies. So we'd be better off by roughly 8000 if we did so. So the numbers add up for this policy, does the money? Would it be cost effective to do this, based on a net gain of 8000 people we would not be paying to keep in prison I'd suggest they probably do.

Edited November 16, 2016 by sgtkate

[Petminder 10]

Ok, let me see if I can find out a good estimate of UK criminals overseas...wish me luck...

 

I already posted a link for you which says its about 1200.

[sgtkate 10]

Why are they striking?even more so why are the prisoners behaving like they are when the do gooders have got them confy cells,tvs to watch games to play.mich star food,surely lifes good behind bars.

 

As it's so good then why don't you go get yourself locked up?

 

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not twisting anything, the nanny state and overcrowding has caused the problems, the facilities prisoners have are far too good and the money spent on rehab should be spent on officers and security, the vast majority will re-offend anyway so make it as hard as possible inside.

 

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totally agree and i bet its more than 10% if you include the Jihadi types:loopy:

 

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where did i say that?? i have never said its easy but hey they made the choice?

my hard job well i work for myself, its not easy but i made the choice and i get the rewards i dont whinge when life gets tough:roll:

 

Except all you seem to do is whinge on here about how everyone else but you has it so easy. #irony

 

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I already posted a link for you which says its about 1200.

 

That number was how many after being supported by that charity and not the overall number. Not every UK criminal abroad is being held in poor conditions and needs that charity to support them.