How do you stop the queue jumping motorists ?

[Obelix 11]

There is a multi car pile up in the second and third lane leaving only the left lane open, not that it would ever happen but everyone knows about it instantly and they all move to the left lane to form a 15 mile queue leaving the other 2 lanes open for emergency services.

 

Please explain why you think three 5 miles queues of traffic all trying to get into one lane 10 meters from the accident is better than one 15 mile queue.

 

In such a case there is a hard shoulder or a running lane is configured to be empty. If theres such a jam that the motorway is down to one lane, then usually all traffic is stopped and we drive wrong way down the motorway to the scene.

[Petminder 10]

Yes indeed. When the traffic is moving slowly then do that merge at the merge point to try and achieve two lanes of traffic, moving at the same speed and merging, thus making the most efficient use of the road space and avoiding any possibility of "pushing in". The merging is easier because it takes place at a predictable point rather than having lane swapping over a longer distance.

 

Three queues isn't the most efficient use of the road, its significantly more efficient for one lane of traffic to move at a constant speed past the accident, whilst the emergency services use the other two lanes.

 

But you did hit the nail on the head, you want a three lane traffic jam because you fear other drivers taking the mick by over taking you and pushing in.

If only everyone had good manners you wouldn't have to worry about someone pushing in and emergency services would get to the accident in record time.

[Obelix 11]

Nor arguing about it ad infinitum.

 

It's almost like if Smithy and Justin chilled out they'd get where they are going.

 

What the pair of them don't realise is that there are least two response trained drivers on here sniggering at them as they get themselves tied in knots. It seems that Smithy really doesn't like being reverse trolled.

[Flexo 10]

Three queues isn't the most efficient use of the road, its significantly more efficient for one lane of traffic to move at a constant speed past the accident, whilst the emergency services use the other two lanes.

 

But you did hit the nail on the head, you want a three lane traffic jam because you fear other drivers taking the mick by over taking you and pushing in.

If only everyone had good manners you wouldn't have to worry about someone pushing in and emergency services would get to the accident in record time.

 

Eh? Three lanes? Accident?!?

[Petminder 10]

Because emergency vehicles drive up the hard shoulder

 

 

So you want emergency vehicle to drive down the hard shoulder and stop all the traffic in the left lane so they can get to the casualties, your idea involves no one moving. You can't see how inefficient that would be, much better for left lane traffic to carry on moving whilst emergency vehicle use the lanes that are closed, at some point the police would also direct drivers to use the hard shoulder.

[Obelix 11]

So tell me what experience do you have of emergency response driving Smithy - do you cause the accidents or do you drive to peoples aid like Walter Mitty?

[Petminder 10]

What the pair of them don't realise is that there are least two response trained drivers on here sniggering at them as they get themselves tied in knots. It seems that Smithy really doesn't like being reverse trolled.

 

Assuming you are which is very unlikely based on your posts, you would rather negotiate a three lane traffic jam than travel down an empty lane.

 

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In such a case there is a hard shoulder or a running lane is configured to be empty. If theres such a jam that the motorway is down to one lane, then usually all traffic is stopped and we drive wrong way down the motorway to the scene.

 

I am aware that sometimes when a road is congested there is a need to take a longer route, I have yet to meet an emergency response driver that thinks it is preferable to take the longest route, they would prefer the shortest route to be clear.

[Obelix 11]

So whats your experience Smithy?

 

Since you've not said you have any beyond perhaps the ability to drive in a straight queue I think the answer is abundant to everyone - no experience, ability, or anything to contribute.

[TimmyR 10]

How does you rushing to the front of the queue and pushing in increase traffic flow past the obstruction?

 

It doesn't but if all lanes are used in the approach to the obstruction then the queue of slow moving traffic is half the length.

 

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So you want emergency vehicle to drive down the hard shoulder and stop all the traffic in the left lane so they can get to the casualties, your idea involves no one moving. You can't see how inefficient that would be, much better for left lane traffic to carry on moving whilst emergency vehicle use the lanes that are closed, at some point the police would also direct drivers to use the hard shoulder.

 

nothing of what you say makes sense. Why would an ESV driving down the hard shoulder result in stopping all the traffic in the left lane? I guess it may do briefly when they cross to get to the casualties if they were in the out lanes but the likelihood is, if things are that bad then all the lanes will be closed.

 

I get a bit tired of the "I know so you should listen" tone you use. There's nothing wrong with people wanting to hear a logical explanation, which I genuinely have not hear from you yet.

 

anyway, what kind of pet minding do you do? If you really are as qualified a driver as you seem to want us to think then you must surely be overqualified for walking a few dogs.

Edited November 24, 2016 by TimmyR

[Guest]

It doesn't but if all lanes are used in the approach to the obstruction then the queue of slow moving traffic is half the length.

 

This thing about *we're all free to use both lanes* is fine so long as both the lanes take you to the same place but there are places like Pennistone road for instance, where there is a lane on the far right to go up Herries road but you get people driving down the middle lane then cutting in close to the junction to turn right up Herries road. That's not on is it, most of them know what they're doing.

[Petminder 10]

It doesn't but if all lanes are used in the approach to the obstruction then the queue of slow moving traffic is half the length.

 

But why do you think that three 1 miles queues is more efficient than one 3 mile queue. Once everyone is in single file the queue will move more efficiently and everyone will get through in turn. Do you form multiple queues in any other situation?

Two rooms of equal size and a door only big enough for one person at a time, in room one 100 people have formed an orderly queue, in room two the 100 people are just flocking round the door. When the doors opens everyone as to escape from the rooms, which room will empty first, room one with the orderly queue or room two with everyone flocked round the door vying for a place and not knowing who will move first?

 

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nothing of what you say makes sense. Why would an ESV driving down the hard shoulder result in stopping all the traffic in the left lane?

 

Because the accident is in the outside lanes.

Edited November 24, 2016 by Petminder

[Treeman893 10]

The French must be infinitely more intelligent than us because they do the merge in turn to a fine art.

They are so good at it that both drivers will hold to let motorcycles through if they are filtering.

 

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They should change the merge in turn signs as they are obviously wrong to "only use for pushing in".