Black poppies not me

[alchresearch 214]

Whilst not wanting to detract from the main thread, but also didnt David Cameron get his picture taken without one on, so they had to photoshop one on the pic

 

This is the story:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/02/poppy-photoshopped-david-cameron-facebook-picture

 

And it also happened to Johnathan Ross:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2003/nov/11/bbc.broadcasting1

 

And people complained to the BBC about Clarkson wearing one when it wasn't "poppy season" but it was because the segment was filmed in advance and its schedule to be broadcast was changed.

 

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Here's an old thread about poppy colours:

 

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522641

[Annoni_mouse 10]

So FIFA were correct then when they said the Poppy was political symbol?

 

Looks like they're owed some apologies.

[banjodeano 31]

Just a slight correction. He wasn't 'caught' not wearing a poppy.

 

His profile photo on Facebook (which was taken when he wouldn't have been expected to be wearing a poppy) was altered to add a poppy (which I agree is stupid) as they didn't have a photo of him wearing a poppy that they thought was Facebook profile pic worthy. It was quickly replaced by an actual photo.

 

I don't think many people change their profile pic to show them wearing a poppy when Nov comes, so I think it was all rather unnecessary.

yup, thanks for the correction, i wasnt trying to make a political point out of it, i was just throwing it into the mix

[alchresearch 214]

So FIFA were correct then when they said the Poppy was political symbol?

 

I don't think so:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37834224

 

Unless FIFA are still counting the 1930's "Peace Pledge Union".

 

Does anyone associate it with anything other than WW1?

[kidley 48]

is the red poppy only for white solders then?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/remembrance/how/poppy.shtml

Edited November 10, 2016 by kidley

[Petminder 10]

Did you read the piece you responded to?

 

Yes, why do you ask?

 

It was intended to highlight the contributions of non white soldiers, which when I was at school were never mentioned or celebrated in the media.

 

I find it hard to believe that your school only told about the white soldiers that died.

[froger 10]

Colour should never get mentioned they were all soldiers who fought for our freedom.

[sgtkate 10]

Colour should never get mentioned they were all soldiers who fought for our freedom.

 

Absolutely agreed. I'll be honest when I was learning about history it didn't cross my mind to specifically think about the colour of a soldier who died, simple that they had died. I suppose in my head I probably did picture a white soldier simply because that was my world. If a textbook had a photo of a black soldier in it I wouldn't have even noticed as it just wouldn't have been anything of any consequence to me. I think (well I hope) most people would think the same. At no point would something think a poppy doesn't reflect the contribution made by non-white soldiers, of course it does, but it doesn't need to be stated explicitly, why would it?

 

I do agree that often history does airbrush out non-white achievements, but the poppy isn't one of those things. As I said earlier, I actually disagree entirely with what the poppy stands for, however there just isn't a race angle on this that I can see.

[melthebell 863]

Absolutely agreed. I'll be honest when I was learning about history it didn't cross my mind to specifically think about the colour of a soldier who died, simple that they had died. I suppose in my head I probably did picture a white soldier simply because that was my world. If a textbook had a photo of a black soldier in it I wouldn't have even noticed as it just wouldn't have been anything of any consequence to me. I think (well I hope) most people would think the same. At no point would something think a poppy doesn't reflect the contribution made by non-white soldiers, of course it does, but it doesn't need to be stated explicitly, why would it?

 

I do agree that often history does airbrush out non-white achievements, but the poppy isn't one of those things. As I said earlier, I actually disagree entirely with what the poppy stands for, however there just isn't a race angle on this that I can see.

i think there is to a certain extent an airbrushing of history. Black people dont always get a mention in "our" history, if you see a picture of a soldier from say world war 2 its almost always white? somebody the other day on google+ posted a picture of some sikh, muslim and hindu spitfire pilots. Now tbh if i was to think of spitfire pilots they would be the last to cross my mind, im sure purely because its not something we know a lot about as a nation.

same as i watched a programme on bbc2 last night, the forgotten history of black britons, with the black folks who were in the roman army and in the medieval times etc. one black guy showed a ladybird book about romans (the same book i remember as a kid i think) and all the romans were white.

The black poppy isnt to take anything away from the red ones, or the white british soldiers that died, but to show a little awareness that black folks did aswell, which does and can get overlooked slightly.

[brian1941 11]

So now we have black poppies to remember black soldiers. Well I'm sorry but I will only be wearing a red one. To me a poppy is for all the fallen no matter colour they are. Why is everything turned to race.

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Hi Froger, I too will be wearing my red poppy, can i ask you a question -

on the poppies is a little green leaf, every time i see people wearing

theirs the green leaf is at all angel. Can you or anyone tell me where

it should be placed, i have mine at 12 o'clock.

[harvey19 541]

As said before the Red poppy represents All soldiers.

If people are to be made more aware of coloured soldiers contribution do so but in an appropriate way.

Leave this respected form of remembrance and respect to include all soldiers as it has done for over 95 years.

 

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Hi Froger, I too will be wearing my red poppy, can i ask you a question -

on the poppies is a little green leaf, every time i see people wearing

theirs the green leaf is at all angel. Can you or anyone tell me where

it should be placed, i have mine at 12 o'clock.

 

11 o clock position.

[froger 10]

Hi brian1941 just looked on British legion web site and they say there is no right or wrong way to wear a poppy they just want everyone to wear one.