When will the political left change/learn?

[phil752 10]

I can't tell you, I'm asking you. Can you answer?

 

read the threads and have another go

 

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foreign people do turn up at agency offices in singles.

I've worked the vast chunk of my life for and in agencies, most businesses don't care what nationality of worker they get, just that they get one.

 

having worked in the recruitment sector how do you recruit workers on mass to full a factory?

[Cyclone 10]

I've read the thread, I'm not going back through 12 pages to find something that you apparently can't just answer. Lets just assume that you have no answer shall we.

[phil752 10]

I've read the thread, I'm not going back through 12 pages to find something that you apparently can't just answer. Lets just assume that you have no answer shall we.

 

you are saying that if a company want 200+ work on mass they have them popping into a renouncement agency one by one

 

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I can't tell you, I'm asking you. Can you answer?

 

but you said that was how they did it

[syne 10]

Do you understand what/how an (temp) agency works? And the difference between that and headhunting?

Aside from when you first create a brand new factory you'd never be looking for that many staff in one go. Your replacing the natural churn of a business, the worse the job the larger/faster the churn.

If you needed say 300 workers for a one off job you'd get some interagency action going on to meet that demand. If it were a new factory, jobs would be advertised in the usual manners.

The tree your barking up, re cruising for foreigners abroad does happen but it happens because of a demand for workers not being fulfilled by the local pool of available workers. For x,y & z reasons.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/21/job-agencies-prefer-foreign-workers

Prime example link, but a bit scandalous in attitude imo.p but roundabout right.

It's more often linked to headhunting for specific roles Eg nurses, field workers etc.

 

You've got to understand that some of this is societal in nature, a problem born often from people who have not listened to the ubitiqous advice doled out to every child born in this country.

The jobs that no one wants to do because they are beneath them are done by people who don't have that misplaced pride. Then ironically they often go on to vote for the likes of trump who promises to get the jobs back from them. Laughable but not funny really.

 

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you are saying that if a company want 200+ work on mass they have them popping into a renouncement agency one by one

 

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but you said that was how they did it

 

Yes exactly, most national agency branches will have at least 200 floating workers on their books. Bigger branches more available.

They just ring up there client list till they've filled the quota. If the can't they ring up other branches, still can't fill it? Start palming jobs of to sister/other agencies.

 

The workers would have been coming in to the agency for years to register ONE by ONE...

This is pretty common and obvious knowledge btw.

 

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Also remember a lot of these places got grant to build factories in mining areas to offset the pit losses that really worked

 

But you can't make the ex pit workers work there.

Your not trying to imply some sort of conspiracy to defraud are you?

[phil752 10]

Do you understand what/how an (temp) agency works? And the difference between that and headhunting?

Aside from when you first create a brand new factory you'd never be looking for that many staff in one go. Your replacing the natural churn of a business, the worse the job the larger/faster the churn.

If you needed say 300 workers for a one off job you'd get some interagency action going on to meet that demand. If it were a new factory, jobs would be advertised in the usual manners.

The tree your barking up, re cruising for foreigners abroad does happen but it happens because of a demand for workers not being fulfilled by the local pool of available workers. For x,y & z reasons.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/21/job-agencies-prefer-foreign-workers

Prime example link, but a bit scandalous in attitude imo.p but roundabout right.

It's more often linked to headhunting for specific roles Eg nurses, field workers etc.

 

You've got to understand that some of this is societal in nature, a problem born often from people who have not listened to the ubitiqous advice doled out to every child born in this country.

The jobs that no one wants to do because they are beneath them are done by people who don't have that misplaced pride. Then ironically they often go on to vote for the likes of trump who promises to get the jobs back from them. Laughable but not funny really.

 

---------- Post added 17-11-2016 at 13:09 ----------

 

 

Yes exactly, most national agency branches will have at least 200 floating workers on their books. Bigger branches more available.

They just ring up there client list till they've filled the quota. If the can't they ring up other branches, still can't fill it? Start palming jobs of to sister/other agencies.

 

The workers would have been coming in to the agency for years to register ONE by ONE...

This is pretty common and obvious knowledge btw.

 

---------- Post added 17-11-2016 at 13:20 ----------

 

 

But you can't make the ex pit workers work there.

Your not trying to imply some sort of conspiracy to defraud are you?

 

not really but i guess this does not happen https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/14/outrage-among-northampton-over-sandwich-jobs-insult and agencies like this recruit from the UK http://www.europeople.co.uk/ and that agencies dont do this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/hr-news/9803866/Protests-begin-over-agency-workers-cheated-on-pay.html.

Edited November 17, 2016 by phil752

[syne 10]

'Not really' in response to what?

 

Not sure what your point is here. no-ones saying those things don't happen. I'm certainly not, I've specifically said they do.

I've worked in many many places that have had umpteen numbers of local people let them down, its no wonder that specialisation happens is it?

 

Your point here seems a bit naive, you appear to be blaming foreigners for working in jobs that locals either can't get or won't do. I've seen many people fired from the worlds most simplest jobs, jobs so simple that they can be explained in mime because they can't be arsed to do it properly or they simply are not reliable. Across a lot of nationalities I'll add however the ratio of slackers, or people with too much pride to just get on with the job in hand tended to be definitely lower in foreign workers.

I can completely sympathise with the workers who want a job but who're living in the shadow of their feckless countrymen.

[phil752 10]

'Not really' in response to what?

 

Not sure what your point is here. no-ones saying those things don't happen. I'm certainly not, I've specifically said they do.

I've worked in many many places that have had umpteen numbers of local people let them down, its no wonder that specialisation happens is it?

 

Your point here seems a bit naive, you appear to be blaming foreigners for working in jobs that locals either can't get or won't do. I've seen many people fired from the worlds most simplest jobs, jobs so simple that they can be explained in mime because they can't be arsed to do it properly or they simply are not reliable. Across a lot of nationalities I'll add however the ratio of slackers, or people with too much pride to just get on with the job in hand tended to be definitely lower in foreign workers.

I can completely sympathise with the workers who want a job but who're living in the shadow of their feckless countrymen.

 

The point is the topic, it was Blare that opened the flood gates and companies took advantage of it. I disagree with your opinion of our feckless countrymen. Most major RDC's and food production factories recruit from non national agencies, why because they are cheaper.

[syne 10]

Then your deluding yourself. There's plenty of feckless people, worldwide.

Brits are not an exception.

For example

The stereotype of a hardworking Pole doesn't exist because of some bleeding heart liberal left fantasy. It exists because it's based on a truth, speak to any owner, supervisor or manager of any factory about how many useless and unreliable staff they've had, pence to pounds they'll have very little bad to say about poles.

 

It's not a difficult thing to grasp, often foreign workers are willing and thankful for an opportunity that far to many of our own see as beneath them.

Your putting the cart before the horse here.

[phil752 10]

Then your deluding yourself. There's plenty of feckless people, worldwide.

Brits are not an exception.

For example

The stereotype of a hardworking Pole doesn't exist because of some bleeding heart liberal left fantasy. It exists because it's based on a truth, speak to any owner, supervisor or manager of any factory about how many useless and unreliable staff they've had, pence to pounds they'll have very little bad to say about poles.

 

It's not a difficult thing to grasp, often foreign workers are willing and thankful for an opportunity that far to many of our own see as beneath them.

Your putting the cart before the horse here.

 

To be honest most manager think they have a crap work force after ail it is a get out of jail card, most employees think they can do a better job that manager, that's life. To bring it back to the topic of loosing confidence in the left and Blair opening they flood gate you accept that non nation do not for the majority come in one by one seeking a job.

[Cyclone 10]

you are saying that if a company want 200+ work on mass they have them popping into a renouncement agency one by one

 

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but you said that was how they did it

 

Did I? Go ahead and quote me then.

[psynuk 10]

you accept that non nation do not for the majority come in one by one seeking a job.

 

No, it's not about accepting anything, your just simply wrong.

You will be able to find examples of this granted, that doesn't make it majority.

 

But you clearly have little experience in the world of employment agencies, of crappy shift work and the mentalities of people who often apply within this sphere of employment, the problems that occur and the reasons that some employers favour dependability of foreigners. Your view is just far to simplistic to be taken seriously, twitter sound bites and ill informed opinion.

 

The problem that you briefly mentioned was undercutting locals wages, but that's not the migrants fault that's the employers who are willing to let that happen. And the practice of getting the worker to sign their rights away for the chance to get a foot in the door.

[pretty_big 10]

To be honest most manager think they have a crap work force after ail it is a get out of jail card, most employees think they can do a better job that manager, that's life. To bring it back to the topic of loosing confidence in the left and Blair opening they flood gate you accept that non nation do not for the majority come in one by one seeking a job.

 

Never had a problem with anyone coming to this country to work hard its more of a numbers game that gets me mad.