The ruination of Sheffield - St Vincents

[tzijlstra 11]

How long have you got?

 

You'll need at least a few hours

 

Back on topic now .I'm hoping this goes ahead this development might kick start work on the Queens Hotel on Scotland Street I noticed that work has started around that area further down on Scotland Street .A lot of Chinese students live in this area and have a shop their Iv been in it.

 

The council's masterplan has been targeting the whole north-end of the centre for decades now but first focus was on Kelham Island and Riverside. I have a feeling that once Kelham Island is 'done' (which it isn't yet), attention will shift to this area which is great. Plenty of opportunity to make it into a really nice part of the city.

 

I'd really like to see an offering of mixed city-living, not just apartments but also townhouses and eateries/bars/pubs.

 

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There's more to this city than students, I for one are sick and tired of pandering to student needs, what about the people who would love new accomodation but are stuck in substandard homes.

 

What about them?

[SkylinePhoto 10]

I think a very small number of people moan about student development. The vast majority welcomes it.

[S1 1DJ 11]

There's more to this city than students, I for one are sick and tired of pandering to student needs, what about the people who would love new accomodation but are stuck in substandard homes.

 

Well that's down to the private sector. Council home just don't get built anymore.

 

---------- Post added 06-11-2016 at 10:31 ----------

 

You'll need at least a few hours

 

 

 

The council's masterplan has been targeting the whole north-end of the centre for decades now but first focus was on Kelham Island and Riverside. I have a feeling that once Kelham Island is 'done' (which it isn't yet), attention will shift to this area which is great. Plenty of opportunity to make it into a really nice part of the city.

 

I'd really like to see an offering of mixed city-living, not just apartments but also townhouses and eateries/bars/pubs.

 

---------- Post added 06-11-2016 at 08:11 ----------

 

 

What about them?

 

Within the vicinity there are a number of sites being built and and recent ones completed in time for the new intake of students.

[Robin-H 11]

I actually like it. But the reason it will have got through the planning process despite so many objections will be that, as we discovered with campaign to refuse permission to demolish the shops by Devonshire Green, the objections have to relate to technical breaches of planning guidelines. Whether or not people want or don't want it doesn't apparently come into it, which seems extremely undemocratic.

 

Yes I didn't mean to imply most of the general public were against it, I meant that most of the statutory bodies and planners were against it. I am well aware that public comments need to be more than just 'I don't like it' to be considered a material consideration (I have a masters degree in planning), although I agree that dismissing the weight of people not wanting something does strike me as being rather undemocratic, but I imagine if they were nothing would ever get done.

 

Like I said, statutory bodies were against the application (their views carrying a lot of weight) and serious concerns about the poor quality of the design were raised by planners within the council. This website goes into more detail http://jessophospital.org.uk/expert-opinion/

 

The fact the building was nominated for the Carbuncle Cup for the worst new building in Britain would heavily suggest these concerns were not unfounded.

 

Poor quality design is a reason why an application could be refused. As was the impact on the conservation area or listed buildings.

[Margarita Ma 10]

The Application for Planning does not have to be made by the owner of a site.

 

When a building is no longer viable in its current use it is sensible to put it to some other use if possible preserving the shell of an old building is preferable to putting up something that in a few years will be falling apart. Architects in this country got carried away with the Corbusier look in the late 50s and 60s forgetting that the rainfall in this country is much higher than in some parts of the world and our rooflines and building materials were developed to cope with the British weather.

[Parvo 13]

Whole historical areas of Sheffield have been abandoned by the council in their rush to supply the big business with sites and permissions to do as they please , this at the expense of the have nots in our town who"s views are never asked for or even considered.

Socialist council my arrrssse.

 

Indeed the council does seem to roll over for big business short term reward at the expense of the city's future. wanting to turn our irreplaceable and socially valuable greenspaces/heritage as man made flood plains is in no small part to protect the concrete wastelands by the Don in the hope ig business is going to invest! !!!

Shame the council can't value what we do have and sell Sheffield on that rather than selling us down the river.

[999tigger 10]

There's more to this city than students, I for one are sick and tired of pandering to student needs, what about the people who would love new accomodation but are stuck in substandard homes.

 

Well find the money to build them? ooopss they dont have any.

The university and student developments are private money and people who wnat to invest in the city.

[Bargepole23 337]

I think a very small number of people moan about student development. The vast majority welcomes it.

 

This^^^

 

What would our city look like without the University and all the money, culture etc that it brings, and all the employment opportunity that comes on the back of that.

 

Might look a bit like Rotherham.

 

Do you think such things as the AMRC would be in/near Sheffield, if we had no University?

 

You can't have a Uni, and not provide modern, decent accommodation. Providing student accommodation doesn't mean other accommodation for non-students can't be provided. The companies building these blocks wouldn't otherwise be building starter homes or whatever.

[Jeddo 10]

Hi

 

I don't want to get too deep as I'm watching the US elections, but I'll make the following separate comments on what I've read on here so far from various posters:

 

Someone uninformed on here said that there were not people queuing up to look at churches like St Vincent's. You just cannot make such a sweeping assumption! just because you don't know about them. I organised a reunion of my oober large Irish family from all around the world to come to Sheffield, after doing my family tree and tracing all the branches who were thrilled. We're talking a good few hundred people, all bringing money to spend in the city, who were coming to see, amongst other things, St Vincent's church, where all our rellies were baptized and married. We were going to Liverpool too, to see the church there that the earlier rellies were baptized and married at. But that L'pool church HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED for no other reason than progress. This family reunion will go ahead, but was delayed due to a close bereavement of mine. Just because the poster on here doesn't know about the hordes of people who go to visit old churches for whatever reason, doesn't mean these visits don't happen. There are literally thousands of people who visit churches for family historical reasons alone, never mind architectural interest. It brings money to the city and therefore Councils have this in mind when deciding to help save them by whatever means. St Vincent's is part of this city's heritage. I'm not religious myself, so am not arguing from that standpoint, just the heritage standpoint. I'm glad St George's too has been saved because my Gt grandmother married there, and I can still visit it. (Only because she married a Jew and St Vincent's wouldn't marry her!!!) It's sad when people come to their family history late, and find the old buildings that meant so much in their own history have gone because of younger folk with no interest in history when they are young.

 

On student accommodation. I own a property blighted by being next door to two houses and two lots of students packed in like rats by private landlords. You can only stand up at one side of the tiny half attic rooms. These are Tony Blairs' students - from lower class families who fell for the socialist line just to make them feel 'equal', who were persuaded to go to university (getting into vast amounts of debt) and do courses dreamed up by the levellers in obscure subjects that no employer wants. Hence a lot of students can't get jobs, and official figures show 25% drop out anyway. The owner occupiers at either side of them can't sleep because of the noise every night through the walls, have rats invading their homes because of the piles of rubbish in the students' back yards because the bins aren't sufficient to hold the amount created (even with extra bins). Burglars come every October, and every night after, because the rental signs go up in October for the following academic year, telling the burglars what they need to know, and the students leave their curtains open and back doors open. Complaints made to the Council departments take longer than an academic year to process through to completion, due to several 'warnings' given, which the students ignore, and they escape scot free every year, and it all starts again come June. We never get any respite, and if we complain to the students, they make our lives hell when they are drunk, by breaking our security lights, and anything else they can throw stones at. We are thrilled that the students are moving into purpose-built private accommodation in town, and while ever there are private landlords letting to students in between owner-occupied dwellings, there will always be a need for more purpose built accommodation. I was pleased to hear lately on the news that fewer people are applying for university courses in these tin pot, Mickey Mouse subjects, choosing apprenticeships instead. Nothing wrong with a good apprenticeship, we need electricians, plumbers, builders etc

 

For those on here who pontificate about things they actually know nothing about down on the ground, I would say walk a mile in our shoes before commenting.

 

On Sheffield City Council decisions, what can you expect from a bunch of numpties who just want power who have not done anything particularly important in life beforehand. Their view is =if it aint broke - Fix IT

Edited November 9, 2016 by Jeddo

[Cyclone 10]

One anecdote doesn't make St Vincents a tourist attraction does it.

 

The rest of it doesn't sound much like the students I know. Sure, they can be a bit noisy when drunk, but they don't commit criminal damage (which would be a matter for the police), they are conscientious of their neighbours, and whilst they're not the most house proud, they use bins like everyone else.

 

Oh, and at SU I've not known very many to drop out, and they all seem to be doing 'proper' degrees. In fact they work harder than I or my peers did at uni (probably down to the fact that they're paying a lot for it).

[Bargepole23 337]

Hi

 

I don't want to get too deep as I'm watching the US elections, but I'll make the following separate comments on what I've read on here so far from various posters:

 

Someone uninformed on here said that there were not people queuing up to look at churches like St Vincent's. You just cannot make such a sweeping assumption! just because you don't know about them. I organised a reunion of my oober large Irish family from all around the world to come to Sheffield, after doing my family tree and tracing all the branches who were thrilled. We're talking a good few hundred people, all bringing money to spend in the city, who were coming to see, amongst other things, St Vincent's church, where all our rellies were baptized and married. We were going to Liverpool too, to see the church there that the earlier rellies were baptized and married at. But that L'pool church HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED for no other reason than progress. This family reunion will go ahead, but was delayed due to a close bereavement of mine. Just because the poster on here doesn't know about the hordes of people who go to visit old churches for whatever reason, doesn't mean these visits don't happen. There are literally thousands of people who visit churches for family historical reasons alone, never mind architectural interest. It brings money to the city and therefore Councils have this in mind when deciding to help save them by whatever means. St Vincent's is part of this city's heritage. I'm not religious myself, so am not arguing from that standpoint, just the heritage standpoint. I'm glad St George's too has been saved because my Gt grandmother married there, and I can still visit it. (Only because she married a Jew and St Vincent's wouldn't marry her!!!) It's sad when people come to their family history late, and find the old buildings that meant so much in their own history have gone because of younger folk with no interest in history when they are young.

 

On student accommodation. I own a property blighted by being next door to two houses and two lots of students packed in like rats by private landlords. You can only stand up at one side of the tiny half attic rooms. These are Tony Blairs' students - from lower class families who fell for the socialist line just to make them feel 'equal', who were persuaded to go to university (getting into vast amounts of debt) and do courses dreamed up by the levellers in obscure subjects that no employer wants. Hence a lot of students can't get jobs, and official figures show 25% drop out anyway. The owner occupiers at either side of them can't sleep because of the noise every night through the walls, have rats invading their homes because of the piles of rubbish in the students' back yards because the bins aren't sufficient to hold the amount created (even with extra bins). Burglars come every October, and every night after, because the rental signs go up in October for the following academic year, telling the burglars what they need to know, and the students leave their curtains open and back doors open. Complaints made to the Council departments take longer than an academic year to process through to completion, due to several 'warnings' given, which the students ignore, and they escape scot free every year, and it all starts again come June. We never get any respite, and if we complain to the students, they make our lives hell when they are drunk, by breaking our security lights, and anything else they can throw stones at. We are thrilled that the students are moving into purpose-built private accommodation in town, and while ever there are private landlords letting to students in between owner-occupied dwellings, there will always be a need for more purpose built accommodation. I was pleased to hear lately on the news that fewer people are applying for university courses in these tin pot, Mickey Mouse subjects, choosing apprenticeships instead. Nothing wrong with a good apprenticeship, we need electricians, plumbers, builders etc

 

For those on here who pontificate about things they actually know nothing about down on the ground, I would say walk a mile in our shoes before commenting.

 

On Sheffield City Council decisions, what can you expect from a bunch of numpties who just want power who have not done anything particularly important in life beforehand. Their view is =if it aint broke - Fix IT

 

Can you provide a list of these "tin pot, Mickey Mouse subjects" extracted from University prospectus, and not the Daily Mail?

[Cyclone 10]

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