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2 minutes ago, Jim Hardie said:

You seem to have changed your story. You’ve twice said they told them there was no charge, so where’s the scam?

Sorry Jim where have I changed my story if I've said it twice?

1 minute ago, HeHasRisen said:

I am struggling to see a "scam" here too, surely its no different to the opportunistic beggars who sit right next to cash machines, you dont have to give them any money ffs 

And that is the scam because the scammed thought somehow they had saved money by not having to pay for parking 

(something that was already free) so might as well give it to this nice ever so helpful homeless chap.

Again go and see it for your self and not come to the same conclusion.

 

 

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Well no, its not a scam, its just being oppurtunistic. You can choose to part with your money or not.

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1 minute ago, HeHasRisen said:

Well no, its not a scam, its just being oppurtunistic. You can choose to part with your money or not.

An Opportunistic Scam it is then.

I knew you'd see it my way 🧐

 

Definition of Opportunistic:

Exploiting immediate opportunities'.

 

Finding something and having it away on your toes is opportunistic.

Hovering around time after time to pull the same deception is not.  

 

 

Keep safe 

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7 minutes ago, Rockers rule said:

An Opportunistic Scam it is then.

I knew you'd see it my way 🧐

 

Definition of Opportunistic:

Exploiting immediate opportunities'.

 

Finding something and having it away on your toes is opportunistic.

Hovering around time after time to pull the same deception is not.  

 

 

Keep safe 

If people didn’t know there was no charge and it was pointed out to them where’s the deception?

If the machine was accepting money then money has been saved.

No lies were told, nobody was intimidated, money was freely given. Where’s the scam?

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intimadation springs to my mind.

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2 hours ago, Jim Hardie said:

If people didn’t know there was no charge and it was pointed out to them where’s the deception?

If the machine was accepting money then money has been saved.

No lies were told, nobody was intimidated, money was freely given. Where’s the scam?

Wow this is getting hard.

There are in fact Signs to tell of the councils freebie parking and it is this the Scammers are waiting (ever so helpful like) to point out before

those parking up have barely reached the ticket machines.

 

Of course organised fleecing is being scammed.

If you choose not to believe me and not check it out yourself there's nothing I can do about that.

 

 

Keep safe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nobody is disbelieving you, I just dont think its a "scam", if people want to give a beggar the money they were about to pour into the ticket machine, more fool them.

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9 hours ago, HeHasRisen said:

Nobody is disbelieving you, I just dont think its a "scam", if people want to give a beggar the money they were about to pour into the ticket machine, more fool them.

And this exactly why it is a Scam.

Did the people 'Want' to give money?

Had they left their cars to go out and give money to a beggar either in the car park or anywhere else while out shopping that day?

The simple answer is No they hadn't.

None of those who donated (20 + in the hour I was there) had expected to be asked for loose change when they made made

their way to the ticket machine.

So hanging around for the next 'Punter' to turn up and using the 'Good Deed' of pointing out there is no charge for parking

solely as a preamble into asking for loose change is 'Subterfuge' and to an extent 'subtle intimidation'.

Add together these three were obviously together makes it organised more than opportunistic.

Surprised no one picked me up on me seeing the third 'beggar' with the 'wad' of cash moving the other two on to another 

site to continuing their begging as it was nearing 6pm and their 'scam' would no longer work.

 

Hats off to Donni Council for introducing Free Afternoon Parking to encourage shoppers into their Town, well done.

 

Perhaps specific BEGGERS COLLECTION POINTS  would stop those in the carpark being 'fleeced'.

 

Keep safe.

End of 🧐

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 05/10/2016 at 19:01, makapaka said:

i think sometimes people just like to demonise beggars as it makes it easier to not confront the fact that in 2016 there are people effectively living in shop doorways.

I agree. Some people will never accept the levels of poverty in this country. We truly are a divided society.

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On 24/04/2020 at 02:15, Martin C said:

I have yet to START giving to said scumbags.  

I d

 

On 23/04/2020 at 11:11, leginemro said:

Why dont idiotic people of Sheffield JUST STOP GIVING to these scumbags ,they then would move on when they realise the people have got wise to there scams 

I don't give money because Its hard to tell who is genuine and who is not,  there are loads of scammers and irresponsible people who have been evicted for spending their rent on jollying it up in the boozer in other words, self inflicted.  :suspect:

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Whatever happend to the 'tramps' of yesteryear?  The FEW individuals, mainly middle aged or older, who you might occasionally see with the odd bottle of alcohol, never drugged up, who might be down on their luck of opted out of general society?  They very rarely asked for money of bothered people in the city centre for anything. 

 

Now, you look at what is hanging around the city centre & you mainly see, in the majority, what looks like young men, who would be fit & healthy & could hold down jobs, if only they would, (not COULD, so it does  for many appear to be a lifestyle choice to waste their days), get off the alcohol & drugs. 

 

People giving individuals money is just perpetuating the problem by providing the street drinkers & drug takers with the finance to buy further drink from presumably local city centre shops who aren't going to refuse the money, whether that be a local 'corner shop' or one of the major supermarkets & drugs from dealers, mainly of a similar age, who aren't going to turn the business down. 

 

As said many times, if you want to help the homeless, give the money directly to a charity.  

 

 

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4 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Whatever happend to the 'tramps' of yesteryear?  The FEW individuals, mainly middle aged or older, who you might occasionally see with the odd bottle of alcohol, never drugged up, who might be down on their luck of opted out of general society?  They very rarely asked for money of bothered people in the city centre for anything. 

 

Now, you look at what is hanging around the city centre & you mainly see, in the majority, what looks like young men, who would be fit & healthy & could hold down jobs, if only they would, (not COULD, so it does  for many appear to be a lifestyle choice to waste their days), get off the alcohol & drugs. 

 

People giving individuals money is just perpetuating the problem by providing the street drinkers & drug takers with the finance to buy further drink from presumably local city centre shops who aren't going to refuse the money, whether that be a local 'corner shop' or one of the major supermarkets & drugs from dealers, mainly of a similar age, who aren't going to turn the business down. 

 

As said many times, if you want to help the homeless, give the money directly to a charity.  

 

 

I echo your post.

Exactly the same when Glue sniffing was all the rage (?) didn't see many DIY shops refusing to sell the stuff.

Picking you up on the 'Tramps of Yesterday',  'Pond Street Nora' and I believe 'the Cat Lady' have both been covered extensively on SF,

But, what happened to all the 'Shadow Boxers?

I can remember two in particular, one a rather small chap who used to  Shadow box at the bottom of the Moor usually on waste ground around where the roundabout used to be, or near the Hermitage.

The other was a much bigger guy used to 'shadow box' either in the Peace Gardens or down by the Markets.

 

Keep safe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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